carlos_rodriguez3 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <p>A friend of mine wants a cheap TTL bounce-capable flash. I do have a SB600, but this flash would be expensive for him.<br> What options does he have for a flash with TTL mounted on a Nikon D70. SB400 is not an option, because is not capable of bounce flash. SB 600 is around 200 new, what other options there are? Third party? Used SB28dx? Wich Nikon flashes would work with TTL and automatic exposure?<br> I am little bit lost with older flashes. Can anyone help me on this?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter Schaefer Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <p>None of the older flashes will do TTL on a Nikon D70 - you are limited to the SB-400/600/800/900 and the little R-200 from the R1/R1C1 kit. I haven't tried this one - the seller/manufacturer claims i-TTL compatibility: Yongnuo YN465 speedlite flash (search on the big auction site).</p> <h1 ><br /></h1> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william__bill__crabill Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <p>Where did you get the idea that the SB400 will not do bounch flash, it certainly will, the flash tube rotates 90 degrees in clicks from straight forward to straight up at the ceiling. It does not rotate from side to side. You can also add a little Demb reflecter which works quite effectively with the little SB400. The 400's main problem is it's low power output which may require the user to push the ISO settings on the camera body to compensate.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william__bill__crabill Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <p>PS: Many of the Pre-DSLR flashes work just fine on digital bodies, just not in iTTL mode, but are very usable in TTL, auto, manual etc, modes. These units are readily available in good condition on the used market, I'd suggest an SB-24. See the Nikon flash/camera/mode compatibility chart on nikon USA<br> <a href="http://support.nikontech.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/886/session/L3NpZC9HT1VsS3NTag%3D%3D/kw/D70%20Flash/p/19%2C56/c/176/r_id/116678/sno/1">http://support.nikontech.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/886/session/L3NpZC9HT1VsS3NTag%3D%3D/kw/D70%20Flash/p/19%2C56/c/176/r_id/116678/sno/1</a></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_s. Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <p>On digital the flash need to be <strong>iTTL compatible</strong> . Traditional TTL doesn't help you because no Nikon dSLR support it. So older flashes like the SB24 mentioned above does <strong>not</strong> work in TTL mode. They work in manual and auto though.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william__bill__crabill Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <p>Pete<br> No, you only need an iTTL compatible flash unit to use iTTL on a digital or Film (F6) bodies with iTTl compatibility. I didn't mean to infer that older flashes were usable in iTTL or TTL modes, that's why I provided the reference to the Nikon Compatibility chart! But I use an SB400 in iTTl , SB 600 in iTTL & SB24 in Auto on my D80 & , with the exception of the limited range of the low-powered SB 400, I defy you to see any difference between the results produced by iTTL & Auto modes. Again, see the Nikon compatibility chart. The originator was looking for a low-cost option & using an older flash unit in Auto provides that option very well.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael R Freeman Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <blockquote> <p><em>Used SB28dx? </em></p> </blockquote> <p>As others have already correctly indicated, the D70 needs an <strong>i</strong> TTL compatible flash for TTL flash control. The SB-28DX (and the other 'DX' Speedlights) use <strong>D</strong> -TTL, which is not compatible with the D70. This is an older system that is only supported by the D100 and D1/D2 series.</p> <p>Non iTTL flashes can certainly be used on the D70, but the only 'automatic' mode is non-TTL Autoflash, which uses the sensor on the front of the flash to control the light output. It also requires that the photographer manually enter the appropriate aperture data into the flash. Perfectly usable, but not as convenient or sophisticated as TTL.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael R Freeman Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <blockquote> <p><em>"The originator was looking for a low-cost option ..."<br /> </em></p> </blockquote> <p>If you re-read the question William, he was specifically asking for a <strong>TTL option</strong> . Three times actually. ;-)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william__bill__crabill Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <p>Possibly I misinterperted his last sentence, doesn't it ask about about both TTL & Auto Exposure Flashes??</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william__bill__crabill Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <p>Possibly I misinterperted his last sentence, doesn't it ask about about both TTL & Auto Exposure Flashes??</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two23 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <p>The older flash such as SB-28 will work on D70 in AUTO mode. While not iTTL, the results are generally pretty good. Otherwise, is there a Sigma etc. third party flash that supports Nikon iTTL and is less $$ than SB-600?</p> <p>Kent in SD</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael R Freeman Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <p>"<em>work with TTL <strong>and</strong> automatic exposure</em> " (i.e. both) ... as in TTL and A, S, P autoexposure modes is how I read it. You perhaps interpreted it as "work with TTL <strong>or</strong> automatic (flash) exposure". :-)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter Schaefer Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <p>I forgot to mention the Metz system flashes that are also i-TTL compatible - they don't seem to be an option though since they cost as much as the Nikon flashes.<br> FWIW, I interpret the last sentence in the same way Michael R. Freeman does - in fact, as I understand it the OP asks specifically for TTL-capable flashes.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william__bill__crabill Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <p>I guess I'm outvoted then :(, blame it on old age! I will repeat though, the originator is incorrect about the SB 400 not having bounce capibility. I use one frequently with the tube oriented straight up & with a Demb reflector to provide fill. It does well in tight quarters, it's limitations being it's limited range, & it is certainly iTTL capible. If it's power is acceptable, it is one of your low cost options, but I'd also check the used market, I picked up a clean, used SB 600 at B&H for less than the cost of a new SB 400.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlos_rodriguez3 Posted January 20, 2010 Author Share Posted January 20, 2010 <p>Thanks so much for your responses and the chart.<br> To clarify my original posting: I meant to say TTL or Autoexposure. There are good suggestions like the SB24, but it seems to cost more than a new SB400. I didnt know the SB400 could bounce the light up. I always assumed it was fixed to front light</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael R Freeman Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <blockquote> <p><em>"I meant to say TTL <strong>or </strong> Autoexposure"</em></p> </blockquote> <p>Well, that one little two letter word (or) gives you a lot more options. :-)</p> <p>Even a used Vivitar 283 or 285HV will give you lots of power for non-TTL Auto bounced flash. Not as sophisticated as the Nikon AF Speedlights, and the range of apertures that you can use is more limited than the SB-24/25/26/28, but in the end it accomplishes exactly the same thing.</p> <p>In the Nikon range, any of the following will give you bounce plus non-TTL automatic flash:<br /> <a href="http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/nikonf4/flash/sb20/index.htm">SB-20</a> , <a href="http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/nikonf4/flash/SB22/index.htm">SB-22</a> , SB-22s, <a href="http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/nikonf4/flash/SB24/index.htm">SB-24</a> , <a href="http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/nikonf4/flash/SB25/index.htm">SB-25</a> , <a href="http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/nikonf4/flash/SB26/index.htm">SB-26</a> , <a href="http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/nikonf4/flash/SB28/index.htm">SB-28(DX)</a> , <a href="http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/NikonF5/Flash/SB80DX/index.htm">SB-80DX</a> .</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william__bill__crabill Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <p>Just a note of caution, the older versions of both the Vivitar 283's & 285 HV have very high trigger voltages & can burn out the low voltage trigger flash circutry of todays DSLR's.<br> Both those Vivitars are winners thought, I'm still using a 283 on my Nikon F3hp</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric_arnold Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <p>i'd either get an sb-400 or used sb600. the 600 is really your best bet as it will bounce in both vertical and horizontal positions and has much more latitude as far as manual controls--of which the sb400 doesnt have any, just an on/off switch. the 400 does indeed have bounce capabilities, and you can add a diffuser aftermarket (which doesnt really make much difference, i must say) or an off-camera cord if you really want to get artsy with it. overall the sb400 isnt a bad flash for daytime fill at all, as long as you accept its limitations you will be okay.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramon_v__california_ Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <p>still best to get the sb-600 for its bounce, swivel and full compatibility with CLS.<br> it's just more fun.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glockman99 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <p>There is also the Vivitar DF-183 Series 1 iTTL flash. I don't know if it's any good, but it's another option.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartMoxham Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 <p>I use an SB28 with my DSLRs in auto or manual mode. I guess one day I may buy an SB800 but I have used the SB28 for years and quite like it.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray_rg Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 <p>Just my .02 cents...</p> <p>Recently bought Quantaray XLF-50N from "techforless" ... open box item (dirt cheap) and it's similar to sb400 (may be with less power). I am liking it... it has improved the indoor picture of my kids...</p> <p>Quantaray XLF-50N it's actually Sunpak RD2000, may be you can try Sunpak PZ42XN, though I have not tried that.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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