mario_saliba Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 <p>Dear all,</p> <p>I am considering in investing in either a full frame camera body like the canon 5d mk2 or a good lens perhaps the 50mm 1.2 or the 80mm 1.2. I am focusing my work on portraits and weddings.<br> Do these lenses give the same quality on my canon 40d body?<br> Which is best solution ?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_t5 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 <p>what is your budget? its hard to decide what body/lens without a budget to decide what the allocation for each would be.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_howard1 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 <p>What lenses are you currently using?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnyc Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 <p>When in doubt, always go for the glass. A 40D is capable of great things when paired with good glass. A 5D2 is capable of horrible things when paired with lousy glass.</p> <p>Having said that, as previously observed, what is your budget and what do you already have?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mario_saliba Posted March 30, 2009 Author Share Posted March 30, 2009 <p>lenses<br> a sigma 24-70 f2.8<br> canon 70-200 f2.8<br> canon 50mm f1.8<br> canon 100mm macro f2.8<br> canon 10-22mm<br> and the bad kit lens</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mario_saliba Posted March 30, 2009 Author Share Posted March 30, 2009 <p>my budget depends on the lens quality. If it is worth buying I will make some savings. But I would like the best option. Then will consider the budget. i also own a great 30d</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven_f1 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 <p>It looks like you have a decent lens kit. Most of your lenses will work on the 5D with the exception of the 10-22mm. The equivelent on a full frame would be the 17-40mm or the 16-35mm. While the 50mm F1.8 has good quality for the price but the corners really don't look that good on a full frame, especially at F1.8. </p> <p>I would look at a Sigma 50 f1.4 (I have a 5D MkI). I just purchased one and the build quality is equivelent to L and so far my images with it have been very good at f1.4. Currently the Canon 50 f1.2 is selling for $1,400 while the sigma is going for $450. Is the slightly wider aperture worth $900? </p> <p>I would go for the 5D and then later get a good full frame wide and concider replacing the 50 f1.8.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mario_saliba Posted March 30, 2009 Author Share Posted March 30, 2009 <p>hi Steven<br> Have you had the chance to compare your 5d with the new 5d ?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gertle Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 <p>Hi Mario, you've got a pretty good kit listed here and considering your statement about going into portraits and wedding photography you don't have that for to go. If you cruise the wedding and event forum you'll hear that one of the main points for weddings is redundancy. Frequently there are no do-overs so it's important to have backup cameras, lenses, speedlights and whatever. With the 40D and 30D you've got the bodies covered, both are quite capable in that arena, and the only thing I see lacking is the gap between the 10-22 and the 24-70.<br> For a 40D/30D wedding setup you might consider Canon's 17-55/2.8 or Tamron's 17-50/2.8. On these it would be equivalent to the 24-70 on a 5d. Also, instead of the f1.2 lenses listed you might consider getting the 50f1.4 and 85f1.8 and hen add Sigma's 30f1.4. The end result would be the full frame equivalent of about 50, 80 and 135 mm focal lengths. Less money and each of them a quality protrait lenght lens.<br> Of course the other way to go is to get a 5D and use the 40d and 30d as backup. The 24-70 would fit the 5D and be the main setup. Then, depending how convenient it is, put the 10-22 on one crop body and the 70-200 on the other. Or swap the two on the same body as the need arises. From what I hear the 24-70 on the 5D, or 5DmkII, is the way to go if you're going to be spending the money anyway.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 <p>A 50mm lens will be a very nice portrait lens on a 40D. I'm not sure that you have to go as far as an f/1.2, but that is a excellent lens by almost all accounts.<br> On the other hand, a 24x36mm sensor body would also be really handy for weddings and portrait work where large prints are made. The 24-105mm IS L lens is a bargain with the body as a "kit". It's only f/4, but that's not too bad with the high ISO capabilities of the 5D2 camera body. You can always throw a 50mm f/1.8 in for practically nothing for the low light situations. You get video too.</p> <p>Either way, you will may want at least a 430EX level flash. Remember that the 5D2 does not have a built in flash, not that a built-in would be too great for your applications, anyway.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_pierlot Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 <p>To answer the question in your subject heading, Mario, I would reply "both." Get the best body and glass you can afford. If you use a film body, the body is arguably less important than the glass (and the film). But with a DSLR, they are equally important; the quality of the sensor can make a huge difference in your images.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_bellenis Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 <p>With your current lens set, I'd add the 5D MkII body before adding a second 50mm lens. The 24-70mm comes into it's own with a full frame body and it's much more important to have redundancy with camera bodies than 50mm lenses. </p> <p>Also, with the 40D and 5D MkII you have the benefits of both crop and full frame sensors. You could add the very good and inexpensive 85mm f1.8 as a portrait lens for the 5D MkII and not be too far off the results of a 50mm f1.2L with your 40D.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 <p>Sorry, I missed that you already had a 28-70mm lens. I like the 24-105 a lot, but if you don't need that, it would make the new body even more attractive for all the reasons John points out above.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yakim_peled1 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 <p> <p>If I were in your shoes I'd replace the kit lens and the Sigma 24-70 for a Canon 17-55/2.8 IS. Caveat: I have it and am prejudice. I traded 24-105 for it and sold 35/1.4 and Sigma 50/1.4 as they were made redundant.</p> <p>Happy shooting,<br> Yakim.</p> </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mario_saliba Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 <p>Yakim , yours is a good idea. So the conclusion is that either I buy a canon 5d mk2 or the canon 17-55 f2.8 with IS. How is it worth it? Are there any pictures of you taken with this lens?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yakim_peled1 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 <p>Here are some of my favorite pics with the 17-55/2.8 IS.<br> <a href="http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/725486/">1</a><br> <a href="http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/697570/">2</a><br> <a href="http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/679313/2#6092326">3</a><br> <a href="http://d-spot.co.il/forum/index.php?showtopic=148545">4</a><br> <a href="http://d-spot.co.il/forum/index.php?showtopic=171946">5</a><br> <a href="http://d-spot.co.il/forum/index.php?showtopic=157108">6</a></p> <p>Happy shooting,<br> Yakim.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tudor_apmadoc Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 <p>I would vote for investing your money in the best lenses you can get your hands on.</p> <p>My experience has been that I'll keep a lens for 10+ years, a digital camera body about 3 years.</p> <p>Put your money in the things you will keep the longest.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarah_fox Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 <p>Lenses are always the better investment, because you'll keep them through numerous body upgrades (if they're good).</p> <p>However, your first question should be one of format. Do you want full frame or crop? If I were you, I'd consider the 5D (Mk I) as an affordable entry point in full frame. I would consider this camera far superior to the 40D for weddings and portraits. (I own both cameras.) Don't forget that you will need to consider your lenses a bit differently for the two formats, but you probably know that.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yakim_peled1 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 <blockquote> <p>Lenses are always the better investment, because you'll keep them through numerous body upgrades (if they're good).</p> </blockquote> <p> <p>Not necessarily. What if your needs change? In the 19 years I take pictures I had 4 bodies and tens of lenses.</p> <p>Happy shooting,<br> Yakim.</p> </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edrodgers Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 <blockquote> <p>Is the slightly wider aperture worth $900?</p> </blockquote> <p>If that was the only difference, no it probably isn't. But that's not the only difference. The corner softness on a full frame body with the new Sigma 50 f/1.4 is completely insane. It's not that great on a crop sensor either.</p> <p>Is a half stop more speed combined with better resolving power and a very much flatter image plane worth $900? And that "build quality is equivalent to L" comment... Are you sure? How would you know? I don't know that, but I doubt it's true.</p> <p>The difference between the Canon 50 f/1.2 and the Sigma 50 f/1.4 is more than just $900.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven_f1 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 <blockquote> <p>hi Steven<br />Have you had the chance to compare your 5d with the new 5d ?</p> </blockquote> <p>No Mario, I have not and I am currently not planning to. I don't need the added resolution and don't see any compelling reason to upgrade at this time. If my 5D died tomorrow I would probably get the MkII but hopefully that won't happen.</p> <blockquote> <p>And that "build quality is equivalent to L" comment... Are you sure? How would you know? I don't know that, but I doubt it's true.</p> </blockquote> <p>Ed I own 4 L lenses (17-40mm, 24-105mm, 70-200mm F4 IS, and 100-400mm) and as I stated I just purchased the Sigma 50mm 1.4. The focusing system is the same, metal mount, no loose parts or noise, and it came in a very nice nylon case. Canon just supplied cloth bags for the 17-40, 24-105, and 70-200. Only the 100-400 came with a nice case. I don't see any significant differences in build quality.</p> <blockquote> <p>Is a half stop more speed combined with better resolving power and a very much flatter image plane worth $900?</p> </blockquote> <p>Ed as you stated you didn't know about the build quality of the Sigma. How do you know about the resolving power and image plane? Prior to my purchase I read every review of the Sigma, Canon 50mm 1.4, and Canon 50mm 1.8 I could find. All stated the same thing, The Sigma out performed the 2 Canon lenses especially with the aperture wide open. I also barrowed a 50 1.8 from a friend and looked at the Canon 1.4 in a store. On my 5D the 1.8 was really bad in the corners and what I saw of the 1.4 in the store confirmed what I read on line. The Sigma 50mm 1.4 is the better lens. As I stated I didn't look at the Canon 1.2L because of the cost. But I also did look at its revews and found very few scientific test done on it and most of what I read was mostly "Great lens!".</p> <blockquote> <p>The corner softness on a full frame body with the new Sigma 50 f/1.4 is completely insane. It's not that great on a crop sensor either.</p> </blockquote> <p>As I stated I have a full frame camera and I have tested the Sigma. You have clearly indicated that you haven't even seen the Sigma 50mm 1.4. Ed for, Mario's benefit, I suggest you post replies based on your own experience with the lens (if you have any) rather then just posting your uninformed opinions. I have posted a sample photo of the Sigma 1.4 and the Canon 1.8 <a href="../canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00Stly">here</a></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edrodgers Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 <blockquote> <p>How do you know about the resolving power and image plane?</p> </blockquote> <p>Those are very accurately quantified in tests. Build quality is not.</p> <p>You can say many things about my opinions, but not that they are uninformed. :)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edrodgers Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 <p>Wait a minute Steven,</p> <p>Didn't you just say the the 50 f/1.2 is not worth the extra $900? And now you say you haven't seen one or even read much about it? What's all this uninformed opinion then?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa_lowden Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 <p>hi. the more i think about it a good lens as opposed to a body. because image quality is the most important thing imho. thanks, lisa</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yakim_peled1 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 <blockquote> <p>If that was the only difference, no it probably isn't. But that's not the only difference. The corner softness on a full frame body with the new Sigma 50 f/1.4 is completely insane. <strong>It's not that great on a crop sensor either.</strong></p> </blockquote> <p>I disagree with the last sentence. <a href="http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/717198/">Here's why</a>.</p> <p>Happy shooting,<br> Yakim.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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