tomasz_widlak1 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Hello, I'm a proud owner of Hassleblad Flexbody and as much as I love the pictures from it I hate shooting with tripod so I'm researching possibilities of MF camera with tilt of at least 10 degrees that can be shot handheld. I have hard time finding one and I'm close to giving up but and keep shooting with Flexbody but before I do that I want to ask here as well. I am aware of Rollei SL66 and Fuji GX680, problem with Rollei is only 8 degrees of tilt and Fuji is simply huge and heavy so it's hardly handheld camera. I'm also aware of Polaroid 900 conversions but to see the effects of tilt I wouldn't be able to use it with rangefinder so again, tripod is a must. If anyone have any other suggestions I would really appreciate them, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borrel1 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 <p>Here are some suggestions:</p> <ul> <li> <a href="http://graflex.org/speed-graphic/century-graphic.html">Graflex Century Graphic with optional rangefinder</a> <li> <a href="http://members.cox.net/gmhsint/camerabodies.html">Mamyia Super 23 (15° tilt)</a> <li> Linhof Technica <li> <a href="http://martyfoto.host.sk/horseman/horsemanVHR1.html">Horseman VHR</a> <li> Bronica ETRS with Schneider Super Angulon 55mm Pe PCS shift/tilt lens <li> <a href="http://www.zoerk.com/pages/p_pshift.htm">Z�rk ProSA-ZM (25° ; tilt)</a> <li> <a href="http://www.hartblei.com/lenses/lens_45mm.htm (8° tilt)">Hartblei 45mm Super-Rotator Tilt Shift </a> </ul> <p>- B�rre Ludvigsen</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasz_widlak1 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 I'm sorry, I should have stated this more clearly that I'm looking for either MF SLR or adapter for it that will allow at least 10 degrees tilt, ideally 10-15 degrees so all view cameras or rangefinder cameras are out of the search. Thank you very much for Zork recommendation, it looks like something that I would want, I will read more about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_becket Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 The Linhof Technika 70 was designed for hand held use and has a tilt capability of up to 15 degrees. I happen to own one (original owner) and am considering selling it. If you are interested, please contact me for details at ken@alliedpacific.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasz_widlak1 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 Thank you very much for the offer but if I understand correctly this is a view camera with coupled rangefinder so I would have to use tripod to use its tilt capabilities, correct? I'm looking for a MF camera that will allow shooting handheld while using tilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucecahn Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 You do not need a tripod for either the 2x3 or 4x5 Linhof Technikas. You just tilt it and then either use the ground glass or a separate viewfinder. If set up for it, you may focus with the rangefinder. Though a bit heavy these are easy to us handheld at low shutter speeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasz_widlak1 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 Thanks Bruce, but I have one question. I've never shot with camera like this but if I were to shoot wide open and focused on ground glass it would be impossible to hold the camera in exactly the same spot while attaching film back and with DOF being shallow it would result in photographed object being out of focus, correct ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucecahn Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Yes it could. The lenses made for 4x5 are not that great wide open. On most of them f11 is the minimum stop for very good results. But the camera is quick and easy, used with the viewfinder and rangefinder. To use the ground glass a tripod is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasz_widlak1 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 Well, that's the thing, I shoot wide open, I step down only when there is too much light and I really don't like to walk around with tripods so focusing on ground glass is not a good option for me. I'm looking at the pictures from Zoerk MFS and I have to say that it looks like something that would work for me. I have Contax 645 and their adapter would cost me almost the same price as my Flexbody would sell for so I'm definitely considering it. If anyone have one for sale I would be definitely interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonio_garcia_russell Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 SL66 is good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuong_nguyen Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Another option is the Rollei 6008 with the superb PCS 55 lens. I have this combination. It is quite heavy but very fast to setup and use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_fromm2 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Børre, I'm sorry but Graphics (Speed, Crown, Century) have at most back tilt that is not very useful. It is intended to be used to return the front standard to vertical (parallel to the film plane) when it is on the outer bed and the bed is dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasz_widlak1 Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 Tuong, I'm trying to find some info on this lens but maybe it's easier tou just ask you :-) What tilt range this lens has ? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jean-louis llech Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 The Rolleiflex SL66-E and SE have both a 8 degrees up and down tilt. It is a SLR like the Hasselblad 203 or 205, with focal plane shutter and Zeiss lenses.<br> But...<br> I don't think that you will really appreciate the depth of field control and positioning (using tilt and Scheimpflug rules) handheld. I use both a folding 4x5" camera with tilts and shifts and the Rollei SL66 with these tilt abilities. When I need to apply tilts, I always use them on a tripod.<br> When I use them handheld, I don't use tilts, as it is IMO a precision task.<br> If you don't like a tripod, try maybe a monopod. But handheld...<br> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasz_widlak1 Posted February 2, 2008 Author Share Posted February 2, 2008 Thank you Jean-Louis, I had Rollei SL66E for two weeks to try it out and it was a nice camera, a little on the heavy side, but 8 degrees is not enough for me. I was shooting it handheld and while it's easier to shoot it on the tripod handholding is doable. I don't like to carry anything but the camera, especially the tripod, plus shooting from tripod cramps my style :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_s Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 This thread is perplexing, so I went to Tomasz's photos to see what he shoots. He has one of those images where the lens is tilted to throw part of the image way out of focus-- opposite to the usual purpose of a tilting lens. We're looking for an expensive solution that will solve a single obscure problem. The easy answer is to remove any one of your conditions-- shoot from a tripod, or forget about reflex viewing, or live with 8 degrees of tilt, or work in 35mm. It then becomes very simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasz_widlak1 Posted February 2, 2008 Author Share Posted February 2, 2008 <p>Thank you very much for your help Dave, but I knew all of what you stated before I asked the question here. If this thread is so unclear to you I'll sum it up, I'm looking for a medium format SLR that offers more than 10 degrees of tilt and it's smaller than Fuji GX680. I couldn't find one so I was hoping that one exists and someone could point me to it.</p> <p>Actually I'm glad I asked cause Børre Ludvigsen helped me in the very first post when he mentioned Zoerk as they have a almost perfect solution for my problem.</p> <p>So thank you again for your opinion, even if you didn't mean to help at all.</p> <p>And yes, he uses tilt the "wrong" way and planing of doing a lot more of that too :-)</p> <p><img src="http://www.tomwidlak.com/gallery/things/things031.jpg" width="600" height="600"></p> <p><img src="http://www.tomwidlak.com/gallery/things/things028.jpg" width="600" height="600"></p> <p><img src="http://www.tomwidlak.com/gallery/street/street019.jpg" width="600" height="600"></p> <p><img src="http://www.tomwidlak.com/gallery/things/things020.jpg" width="600" height="600"></p> <p><img src="http://www.tomwidlak.com/gallery/things/things019.jpg" width="600" height="600"></p> <p><img src="http://www.tomwidlak.com/gallery/things/things018.jpg" width="600" height="600"></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_s Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 No problem Tomasz. Good luck with your project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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