martin_f._melhus Posted March 31, 1998 Share Posted March 31, 1998 I saw in the Wisner catalog that they are selling a remake ofthe Zeiss Hypergon lens. Supposedly, this is an 85mm lens thatcan cover 8x10 with movement, and is rectilinear, flat field, andhas virtually no distortion or astigmatism. Coverage is claimed tobe a whopping 140 degrees. Of course, this is their ad copy, so I don't expect them to dwell on the lens's inaccuracies and problems. Wisner's version has waterhouse stops, and sells for something like$2000. From what I could gather from the ad, it's just 2 elementsin 2 groups, looking a bit like a hollowed out glass marble. <p> I've never heard of this lens design, or anything like it. Hasanyone used it, or any of it's cousins? Does anyone have any familiarity with it's history, design strengths and weaknesses, and most importantly, usefulness for photography? Are there anylenses of similar design for other formats? I can't imagine thata lens of this type, scaled down to 35mm (and perhaps improved toget up to modern lens standards) wouldn't sell well. But perhapsthe 4x5 version would have the most usefulness, if it had a focallength of about 40mm, and could cover 4x5 with significant movement. <p> Any comments on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndesq Posted April 2, 1998 Share Posted April 2, 1998 ????????????????????????Never heard of..... <p> THe Hypergon is a very famous lens and anyone who knows lenses wouldknow that. The lens I designed is a faithful copy and performs justlike the original. The old one is the one which had a little fan in the middle to even outillumination. THese days we can use center filters instead.Anyone interseted can have complete optical information from thecomputer design. <p> WISNER HYPERGON <p> The lens is a redsign of the original Goerz lens of the early 20thCentury. The design was executed by Ron Wisner using modern glass.Computer data is computer generated and a faithfull representation ofreal performance of the lens.All data was generated at f45, the overall diffraction/resolutionlimited stop of the lens.Though its image circle is large enough to cover 11 x 14, this lens isintended to be used on 8 x10 and smaller. <p> Additional information:The lens is provided with its own special rotary sector-shutter.It is a bulb/time shutter only.The stops are the old-fashioned waterhouse type and have four settings:for viewing f14, f22,f32,f45. <p> The reason for this style of stops is that the waterhouse stops are themost accurate type.Accuracy is important for centering reasons and normal exposure valuesand conventional leaf diaphragms are not terribly accurate at smallstops <p> The lens is recommended to be used with a center filter.Purchasers of this unique lens should be prepared to buy the centerfilter, although some may want to experiment photographing without it.Careful printing by dodging the edges of the negative can reduce thefall-off, while preserving some fall-of in the final print may enhancethe wide angle effect to some degree. <p> The price of the lens is $ 2500.There will be a balance of 50% on receipt of the order.Balance will be due upon shipping, delivery 8-10 weeks. <p> Note:Because of extreme radii and full hemisphere the lens elements must bemade as they were originally , one at a time.This means the cost of savings making many is nil.Each lens must be individually mounted and tested as well, since suchextreme design parameters can lead to slight differences in focal lengthand astigmatism.More info: +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | John D. de Vries Johndesq Consultancy | | | | Startup page http://www.johndesq.com | | http://www.geocities.com/~johndesq | | Shortcut http://www.johndesq.com/shortcut | | http://members.tripod.com/~johndesq | | | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | jd@johndesq.com Voice:++31(0)343 513927 Fax: ++31(0)343 513927 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ <p> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ <p> * Page me online through my Personal Communication Center: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/2487874, * Send me E-mail Express directly to my computer screen : ICQ E-mail : 2487874@pager.mirabilis.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emil_ems Posted October 6, 1998 Share Posted October 6, 1998 Since this marvelous new/old classic is intended for 8x10 cameras, it would be very useful to get information on the lens-flange to film-plane distance, or bellows extension. How much would that be when the lens is focused at infinity? Can the lens be used on ordinary 8x10 cameras as, e.g., the Toyo M II 8x10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldon_hambrick Posted October 6, 1998 Share Posted October 6, 1998 You can get a look at the original here: http://www.cosmonet.org/camera/hyperg_e.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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