luis triguez Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Hi friends, I won a nice LTM Elmar 5 in eFly for 70 euros. It looks in good condition but after seen the pictures thoroughly, I doubt if it is not a fake. The difference with my red Elmar 5 is that it has the distances on the big ring, close to the screw and in the red one it has the depth of field in that ring. Would you please give me your wise opinion? I didn`t pay yet. So I`m in time to avoid the purchase. Is it an old model? I have not the number of it. Thank you a lot.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis triguez Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 other one<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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john_shriver Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 The Red Scale Elmar swapped the location of the distance and depth-of-field scales. Nothing I can see in those photos, at that level of detail, suggests anything but a real Elmar. Is there a number stamped under the focusing tab? Is the focusing smooth? Is the serial number engraved in the normal place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian bastin Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Luis. It looks very nice, genuine and if it's in equally good optical shape, a very good deal ! Not sure of it's age but it might be coated, and post-war. Enjoy ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnycake_.1 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Hello, Luis... Your Elmar 3.5/50 seems to resemble my sample. In my example, the sn# is engraved on a 'bezel...' one bezel outside the diaphragm. My SN#, written VERY small, is 941XXX. Does this help? Hope it does... Johnny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian bastin Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 It's certainly no fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_neuthaler Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 It's real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charles_stobbs3 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 There are several similar for sale on EBay except that they have the older version f stops, 3.5, 4.5, 6.3, etc. Maybe some one swapped the mounting rings. The machining looks good on the one you show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw12dz Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Luis, I own a both a Red Scale and Black Scale in addition to an FSU Industar 26M and I agree with the others. It's real. Stu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnycake_.1 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 You mightlook here for the SN# ---><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis triguez Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 John, (The Red Scale Elmar swapped the location of the distance and depth-of-field scales) I had a pre war and I did`t remember that fact. You make me happy! I can`t answer to your other questions because I haven`t it yet. Thanks again. Adrian, Hope it does. I`ll see the real diference with the red one when shooting. Thank you! Johnny, Pity I can`t see the number till I get it. The red one I have is a coated 1049XXX. Very crisp indeed. Thanks a lot. Adrian and Paul Good! I am going to sleep tonight like a baby. Thanks boys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis triguez Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 Charles, Surely it must be an after war coated one. I thin I made a good deal. Thank you. Stuart, Thanks a lot! Now I wouldn`t envy you. I have both:-) Johnny, Thanks again. This is my red one<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald_moravec1 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 It`s fake. Send it to me for $20+ shipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw12dz Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Luis, I always enjoy seeing your photos. Can't wait to see your shots with the new lens after you receive it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis triguez Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 Ronald, You naughty boy:-) Stuart, You are always so kind judging my snap shoots. Of course I`ll do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw12dz Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Ronald, It's good to see someone else with a sense of humour. Puts a smile on my face!:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astral Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 From photos of similar Elmars that I've seen recently, the 1949 version (around S/N 699000) had focussing scale on the flange, d.o.f scale on the barrel and a minimum aperture of f16. By S/N 770000 (1950) the min. aperture had become f22 and the depth of field scale was moved from the barrel to the flange, etc. This suggests you may have a 'transitional' version dating somewhere about 1949/50 ... I have a similar lens on order from the Leicashop (Wein), hopefully arriving soon. AC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis triguez Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 Alan, I wonder if your IIIf will prefer it to your Skopar. You should to ask her:-) Good Elmarshooting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 The "reversed" distance/DOF scales are consistant with many genuine Leitz Elmars. Why don't you try it on a roll of film to see how well (or poorly) it works -- that's what's important, not the name on the lensmount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnycake_.1 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Hi Luis... It seems like a good deal but... only you can/will know. I just take photographs. Johnny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob F. Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Luis: I have the very same version of the Elmar. It is interesting to know that this version, which closes to f/22 (as opposed to earlier models that only close to f/16) are in fact upgraded opticallly from the earlier ones. It is equivalent to the Red Scale verfsion optically--or so I understand. At any rate, mine is a fine performer, and yours ought to be as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_a__nyc_ Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Is it true that the f/22 models have the newer Red Scale optics? And is the Red Scale model noticeably better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astral Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Hi Luis - what a memory! Well, Ms Skopar is a colorful flirt, so stays as courtesan for "Frankie" (IIIf), together with his more mature and refined companion, for special occasions, namely Madam Coll Cron. I think that the IIIa (should be called "Old Al") will be stepping out with a new gal, "Red" Scale - she's old, but quite refined. The new guy on the block is "Arnie Schwartzenleica" (Black III) - bit of a rough diamond: he's gonna be hitched up to venerable Austrian fraulein "Elle Mar" who is arriving soon - they should get on well together. My hippie Canon (a 60's chick) sleeps around a bit so keeping track of her may be a bit tricky! All these 'characters' might get a trip to the sea-side soon, so we may get some idea of how they all perform side by side. ;-) AC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis triguez Posted November 1, 2007 Author Share Posted November 1, 2007 Bill, of course I`ll do... when I`ll get it. Rob, hope mine is as good as yours. Thanks for posting. Peter, I had an old 1935 and sold it. The red one is sharper than that from that epoch IMO, maybe helps the coated tint. I don`t know about after 1935 Elmars to compare with. As Johnny says I only take photographs:-) Alan, wow! So you have a lot of work ahead to do... and to show as Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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