Pre exposure - how much will it increase film latitude?

[bill_glickman]

I understand the premise of pre exposure... take a multi exposure shot once on a grey card, the other on the scene. My question is, how much will this increase the exposure lattitude of Velvia? For now, I see Velvia at about 4 - 4.5 stops lattitude before detail is lost. What is the max. amount this can be increased using pre exposure technique... hopefully 2 full stops more? Any good reading material for this on color reversal film? Any input would be helpful.

[n_dhananjay3]

My understanding is that pre exposure is more of a technique to

support shadow detail. Typically, you would expose (some folks use a

styrofoam cup over the lens) at about Zone I or II. The logic is that

it makes the most difference to the shadow areas and does not affect

the highlights too much. The basic logic is exactly similar to pre

flashing printing paper to hold highlight detail - you sort of bring

the emulsion up to the speed point. I've never done color using this

technique, so I fear my experience might not help too much, but here

goes...

 

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4.5(Zone III) 9(IV) 18(middle gray) 36(VI) 72(VII)

 

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The basic logic is that if you add about 2 units of light, your Zone

III now shifts to about (6.5) Zone III1/2, Zone IV will be about (11)

Zone IV1/4, while Zone VII will show very little shift. Importantly,

Zone II (which was originally putting 2.25 units of light on film)

will be pretty much at Zone III now (since it's putting 2.25 + 2=4.25

units of light on film).

 

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A couple of concerns with transparency film: Highlights are typically

quite critical with transparency film. And you are adding some

additional light to the highlight end - in other words, if you've

placed a highlight at the edge of film, you run the risk of losing

it. I would give myself an extra margin of safety on the highlight

end with this technique. Also, transparency film has a pretty steep

characteristic curve - so I'm guessing you might see larger tonal

shifts at the lower end.

 

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If you wanted to hold a longer subject reflectance range, try rating

your film a little slower and then pulling your first development. So

rating Velvia at 40 or slower and adjusting development appropriately

might help. Alternatively, switch to a less contrasty transparency

film like Astia or switch to negative film. There's probably a lower

bound to how much you can pull the film (thanks to color shifts), but

I would guess that long before that, you'll hit unacceptable loss of

local contrast.

 

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If you want to find out exactly how many stops of additional

reflectance you can handle, I'm guessing you will need to work with

the characteristic curve of the film. Look at the log exposure value

for the normal processing curve near the toe and shoulder of the film

and calculate the difference (each 0.3 corresponds to a stop). Now

look at the similar points on the pulled curve (i.e., the one rated

at 40 and given N-1/3 processing). A look at the toe and shoulder log

exposure difference should tell you how much you can hold.

 

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Hope this helps. DJ

[lot_wxs]

Hello Bill,

If this question is a follow-up of your question about how to expose

evergreens on Velvia: I doubt it. My intuition says that if you're

successfull with this technique in this respect, you'll get grainy,

soft evergreens which will not have the right color also, maybe a

little greener but fragmented in micro-details and no sharpness-

impression. Just my intuition and perhaps completely false. It just

sounds too complicated, pre-exposure of slides. Why running the risk

of color-shift and all?

[n_dhananjay3]

You might find this useeful. "The Zone System for 35mm photographers"

by Carson Graves. Talks about this very briefly in the chapter on

color. Suggests Zone I preexposure for an N-1 equivalent and Zone II

preexposure for an N-2 equivalent. Good luck. DJ

[lot_wxs]

BTW, what camera/lens do you use?

[james___]

You are adding density at the shadow end of the sbr and not at the

highlight end. You highlights will stay where they are. Pre-exposure

works great with Velvia. Try it. It doesn't cost much to use a roll of

film or should I say a few frames. It'll save the day in a contrasty

situation. James

[chris_wray]

James is right, pre-exposure is often used with slide films to help

give a head start for shadows. You do have to watch the high end. I

would just try a few different levels to see what works best.