bobtodrick Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 This is a case (IMO) where someones 'public' expects them to live up to unreasonable expectations. Any artist should appreciated for his artistic ability - I'm sure there is not one of us on this forum who takes photographs so our personalities can be held up to public scrutiny. Why is it that as soon as someone becomes well know, whether they be an artist, sports figure or whatever we all feel they should be perfect. Unless they are in a position of public trust (politicians, etc) their lives should be seperate from their talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_.1 Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Je ne sais quoi: I don't know what. <p> I think it's used to express a reaction to a quality for which words escape. Probably find more on it by plugging in "je ne sais quoi" into yahoo search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe_la_pew Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 He's old, seen a lot and above all he's french. What did you expect? <p> Soon he will be dead and then we'll all revere him and regret these foolish ramblings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_smith12 Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Thank you James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson Posted March 17, 2002 Author Share Posted March 17, 2002 But we will never forget that he once kicked his wife unconcious and was a truely nasty man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucien1 Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Kristian, <p> Thank you for proving my point. <p> ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilhelmn Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Can anyone verify that he was convicted and spent time in prison for violent crimes (against his wife?), other than internment and escape from the Nazi POW camps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_dunlap Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Just another example of the "artist as monster". Miles Davis, Picasso, Frank Lloyd Wright, Orson Welles--none of them were nice people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_couvillion Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Has anyone ever known a truly normal (whatever that means) "artiste"? They are different; it's part of their emotional and psychological composition that makes them artists. Cut HCB some slack; he probably isn't very nice to most people, but probably is to some. That doesn't concern me because I don't have to deal with him. I simply enjoy his work. Now if it were shown he had committed great crimes against humanity, that would be different; I would find it difficult to separate the man from his art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson Posted March 17, 2002 Author Share Posted March 17, 2002 I have also read (in a few places) that HCB was a Nazi himself,or at least collaborated with them(which is in fact worse).In 1943 he was sent to Paris to gather infomation on the resistance,he was also 'placed' in POW camps as an agent.I know what I have read and I know that there is no smoke without fire. <p> HCB should tell the truth to the world before he dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtodrick Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Now here is the 'net at its worst. Jackson - hopefully you can verify what you've said in your last post - otherwise it borders on slander, and if HCB's lawyers so it you'd probably get a call. It's really easy to say the old "I read it somewhere" - but I sure hope you've checked your facts thoughly. I read somewhere once that someone somewhere still has proof that the world is flat (really, someone has written that within the last 50 years). Well, I read it - it must be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson Posted March 17, 2002 Author Share Posted March 17, 2002 Hey! don't blame me.I found it hard to believe,but you know the world is a very imperfect place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowhereman Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 What is it with this thread?..it seems like flypaper for assholes: it brings them out. How can anyone write, "I read SOMEWHERE that HCB was a Nazi himself..." It is absolutely irresponsible to write something like that without a specific reference. It's the sign of an asshole. <p> A few months ago I read a biography of HCB (Assouline) that had no reference whatsoever to his being a Nazi sympathizer. On the contrary, given whathis politics were; it's inconceivable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson Posted March 17, 2002 Author Share Posted March 17, 2002 "I read SOMEWHERE that HCB was a Nazi himself..." <p> Who wrote that? I didn't. <p> As usual you resort to insults.Why call me an asshole for writing something you don't want to hear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowhereman Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 JAckson: <p> >"I read SOMEWHERE that HCB was a Nazi himself..." > Who wrote that? I didn't. <p> You didn't write that? Here's the quote from your idiotic posting: <p> "I have also read (in a few places) that HCB was a Nazi himself,or at least collaborated with them(which is in fact worse)." <p> You mean someone is posting things in your name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson Posted March 17, 2002 Author Share Posted March 17, 2002 Yes,I have read IN A FEW PLACES,not,I READ SOMEWHERE. <p> Do you see the difference? No? no,I don't think you do.......oh dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowhereman Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Yes, I can tell the difference. But just because you read it in a few places on the web -- or in print for that matter -- doesn't necessarily make it true. Would you care to give us the references? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson Posted March 17, 2002 Author Share Posted March 17, 2002 I think it may have been in the News of the world......or was it the Sport?.....no,I don't remember.sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowhereman Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 >I think it may have been in the News of the world......or was it the Sport?.....no,I don't remember.sorry. <p> I suggest that you don't post statements like the one about HCB being a Nazi unless you can substantiate them. Your "There's no smoke without fire" statment does not do credit to your intelligence either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson Posted March 17, 2002 Author Share Posted March 17, 2002 I have also heard,now don't get me wrong,but the truth will out.....HCB was also a rampant homosexual.yep,a 'backdoor burgler'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardvanle Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Jackson, you're also an asshole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn_travis Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Is it little wonder that HCB is judged so harshly by this group, when the intellect and talent doing the judging is so mundane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson Posted March 17, 2002 Author Share Posted March 17, 2002 Mmmmmm,oooooh,I don't think he's having a go at me alone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristian dowling Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Allen, I would keep my mouth shut if I was you, as your comments are not always favourably looked upon. <p> Lucien, what the hell are you talking about? <p> Everyone, let's leave this alone! Can't people have a difference of opinion without others flamming all the time. Maybe this forum is becomming "sad". And I am the first to admit that my comments aren't always perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramig Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 let me tell you what Lucien is talking about. it is called racism. it seem to have started by your sense of humour, which I myself found harmless, but Lucien might have been ofended by, and mocking politically correctness is no racism. "But which type are you? " is already harder to interpret as a humorous remark, but your:"And learn how to speak english before making such useless comments." is impossible to interpret but as a racist claim. it shows the arrogance of some anglo-saxon people. I hear about them from my wife here in the US, which speaks, reads and writes 4 different language, but has the accent of a foreigner, which sounds to many here like the accent of Monkeys, I myself encounter it, rediculously enough, from american people that would not even dream of being addmitted to the american institution in which I am finishing my PHD at. like all types of racism, it goes against the facts, it is in their eyes, a defect, something that could have been a good reason to pitty them, unless they would have had such a reputation for carrying out, and in colaborating, with some of the historical events mentioned above. That is what Lucien is talking about. and sorry about the spelling mistakes. good you don't hear my accent. it is even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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