jorge_torralba2 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Just to follow up on my previous post on choosing between the Zeiss 15 distagon and Leica tri. Just a follow up. The Zeiss 15 is just incredible. Those who say it's too big have not really spent time with it. It gives a perfect balanced feel in the hand and everything falls ion place. Looking through the Leica 21mm viewfinder, you can see the focus scale clearly on the lens. There isnt a Leica lens I own that focuses as smooth as this Zeiss. I just wish I could use it more often. Such a wide lens has its use and not every photo needs it. When spring comes around the hiking begins. This shot was done at a local bistro last week. Keep in mind that the lens is not coupled to the rangefinder. However, it really does not need to be. focus is spot on without fussing too much. Let me know which one you like better. Color or B&W <img src='http://farm1.static.flickr.com/124/406306093_3230feb2d6_b.jpg'> <br> <img src='http://farm1.static.flickr.com/134/406306090_ab7f26efaf_b.jpg'> <br> <img src='http://farm1.static.flickr.com/185/406306102_fc0022891b_b.jpg'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erudolph Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 B&W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richie chishty Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Nice photos! That Zeiss lens is very good! I like both the color and B&W versions of the first photograph. They convey very different moods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander_illich Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 The colour has a really nice quality to it, I would jump at it before the B&W. I think the contrast in colour is stronger than the composition in B&W. Just my oppinion. Sincerely, Alex I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssermoneta Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 B&W The color version is beautiful - the counter, with all the gloss and reflection, competes with the woman. In the B&W version the shiny reflections are still there, but the woman's skin tone is more compelling to the eye than in a color context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymond_tai Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Any scanned full frame samples you can post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WM Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Nice ! Wonder how it compares to the cheapo VC 15/3.5 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WM Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 OK, maybe not cheapo, but cheapo relative to the Zeiss 15 of course ! The VC is about $600 as compared to the $6000 Zeiss here in Australia ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 1st color picture is great! Where are all those M8 problems that are supposed to show up? The blacks look okay, the vignetting is modest. Thanks very much for the images, Jorge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charles_stobbs3 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Great pictures. And I'm looking forward to the hiking pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_huff1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 How I wish I could afford this lens. Ill have to make do with my VC 15 though. Great stuff and am glad you are enjoying the lens. It looks like a great one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vivek iyer Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Jorge, The cheerful bartender makes the picture, no doubt. Well captured. Any info on the aperture/shutter speed used? Also, unlike Pico, I do see color fringing (blues, greens, yellows) on the edges. The guy in the last shot appears quite bleached as well compared to the girl. Is this a product of excessive image processing (to take care of the IR problems from the M8/filter or no filter) or are these images "as captured"? How do you deal with the cyan drift (unequal and is much more difficult to fix) with the B+W 486 filter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorge_torralba2 Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 Glad you ;ike them. These were shot with the BW 486 filter. I just deal with the cyan shift near the corners. My PS skills are not that good yet. But, I did notice that if you dodge the corners, the cyan goes away. I tend to like the color one as well. It brings life to the picture. What I think is great is that they are all focused without being coupled. I think the lack of rangefinder coupled lens is given too much attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_shriver Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Your eye is drawn from the subject in the B&W version, and to the subject in the color version. It takes strong (often simple) composition to make a B&W photo work. The wallpaper on the right becomes dominant in B&W. The B&W will work as a fairly narrow vertical crop, but then it's not a wide-angle shot anymore. Even with such a crop, you can still tell who this is, where they are, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vivek iyer Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Good point on the B&W wallpaper! B&W conversion (how it is done) will take care of it to some extent. Better way is to use a wide aperture and blur the OOF regions. That is why I enquired about the aperture. The C-V 15/4.5 performs quite well at f/5.6. There is little incentive to use the Zeiss lens at this aperture. How does it perform at f/2.8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_chadderton Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 I kind of disagree with John above. <p><p> If I look at the female subject, I find my eyes drawn to the wallpaper and surroundings. However, once I'm looking at the wallpaper, I find that my eyes are drawn back to the subject. In this sense I think it succeeds in portraying both the subject and her surroundings. <p><p> That said, I like both colour and BW shots and don't see any digital abberrations that I can't see in most other comparable (priced, spec'd) digitals. In many respects, I'm beginning to find M8 example shots much more pleasing than many others ... <p><p> Which would I choose? To display at an exhibition, the BW. But to sell commercially then the colour is probably better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorge_torralba2 Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 Here is one from today. Mossy trees in Eagle Creek trail. You can see the cyan on the top left. This is due to the camera. <br><br> This is a full fram shot. Look at the leaf details in the bottom left. All I can say is that I am very pleased with thi slens and do not regret not getting the tri-elmar. <br> <br> <img src='http://farm1.static.flickr.com/154/410478761_01529d99f0_o.jpg'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vivek iyer Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 M8 sure craps up this lens (apparently it does that to the W.A. tri elmar as well)! Sorry, Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefan rohner Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 is there a need to have depth of field from paris to moskau? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymond_tai Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Thanks Jorge. The picture looks like I am staring out the window. I see you didn't use the center filter. Does that explain the upper left corner you were referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmdelux Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 both great in colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorge_torralba2 Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 I think next time I go out with the lens I will use the center filter. Although from what I have read, shooting at f8 should eliminate the need for the filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald_moravec1 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 The green corners are due to the IR filter being in front of the lens. Behind the lens causes problens too. A coded lens with firmware update is supposed to correct it. Current LFI explains it better than I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorge_torralba2 Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 If that's the case. I will remove the IR filter for my outdoor work unless I see a bear running around with a fake fur coat that may end up looking magenta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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