cam mills Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Sorry for the long post, it's the first and I have some catching up to do! Over the past few months I've really learned a lot from this beaut forum and I want to say a BIG thanks to all those regular contributors who help those who know less. Maybe in the future I will be able to help someone and balance my photo Karma a bit. In the end we all get enjoy beter images, which, I guess is what it's all about. In particular there have been a few people explaining high ISO and manual flash techniques that have delivered results I never realised possible. I've loved phototography since I first got my hands on dad's Canon A1 about (ummm) 20? years ago. Recently I went the whole hog and brought a 1D MKII N and it's just an amazing camera and have been doing some paid work for weddings and a Christmas Party at Sydney's Fort Denison on the harbour. Hopefully one day I can change careers into photography and earn a dollar doing what I love, how sweet would that be! So I've been shopping (too much) and have just bought a new computer to help with the processing of my shots. Here's the question... The new PC (AMD 4400+) runs on Windows x64 (silly me) and it's a bit tricky to find drivers for it, even the video card (ATI X800) isn't supported properly. I am thinking of going back to XP but will wait it out depending if I get the printer going (no drivers for it either). So back to the question (rant rant)... I just spent "many" hours in front of the new ViewSonic LCD (calibrated by eyeball, again no driver) which is very bright and saturated. I've been processing shots from a wedding from the weekend (just along for the fun, no $ involved) and I uploaded the pics this morning. When I looked at them on the office PC I thought the colour, brightness & contrast looked really ordinary. Have I made a mess of all this because my new monitor's uncalibrated or are they OK? Tomorrow I'll get some prints form the lab to see how they look but would appreciate your thoughts. The site is www.pbabse.com/millsy and the wedding is Bec & Jody which is at the top of the page. Many of the later shots were taken using manual flash plus 3200ASA in RAW and then fiddled with in RawShooter (trial version, just) and PS to complete the process. Thanks for any comments you have and does anyone know if the Spyder 2 (or similar not too pricey calibators) can be used with x64. Thanks again, Cam Sydney, Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladimir_pcholkin___washin Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 I recommend you to RUN back to Windows XP as quick as you can. Windows 64 is still pretty much beta and does not give you any real advantages since most aps running in 32 mode anyway plus driver and connectivity issues. You can't calibrate monitor by eyeball and expect any good results. Also is your monitor at work calibrated? I would recommend to go back to XP, buy the Spyder, calibrate your monitor, get profiles from the lab you are using and use them for color correction settings. Only that way you can expect any consistency in your color management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djphoto Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Listen to Vladimir. His advice is right on the money and will save you endless grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 wait a minute gang, Cam, why aren't you running xp pro 64 on your computer? next, there are very few lcd panel monitors worth their salt to calibrate on, which view sonic do you have? with all this noce gear, why are you eye-balling your calibration? the spyder -2 is adequate and cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cam mills Posted January 13, 2006 Author Share Posted January 13, 2006 Vladimir,Thanks, I was expecting an answer like this (now that I know X64 a little better), but not really hoping for it. I suppose now is the time to change before setting too much more up. Dave, Thanks for seconding it (rats!) Eric, The system is Windows XP Pro x64. Similar to XP Pro only running in 64 bit mode (I think), and without the support XP Pro 32 bit enjoys. The ViewSonic is a VP930b and from a LOT of reading on the web I believe it's a very nice piece of gear, certainly has me satisfied!The reason I haven't invested in a Spyder is because I'm sure they don't have the drivers for X64. Just like my Canon S820 Printer, 3 Cameras, 1 CF card reader, 1 Canon scanner, and probably some others I haven't yet figured out. Thanks for your answers guys. An no the monitor at work isn't calibrated, it's a busted old Trinitron and not worth the trouble for the apps I use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Cam, I'm running 64 xp pro on one of my boxes and one has to laod the old 32 bit windows to get most apps running and supported. I have the spyder as well, but I haven't loaded it on this box yet. I'll try later and report back if you wish? I just haven't needed to print or use an icc profile that critical. And you need the spyder 2 model to calibrate lcd's, btw. The thing with running 64 bit is to utilize an extra gig of ram with cs2, and not too many viruses or spyware for 64 bit...yet...But I keep mine off line and use an oldie for the net and email and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cam mills Posted January 13, 2006 Author Share Posted January 13, 2006 Eric, It would be good to know if you can get the Spyder 2 to run in x64. Thanks for the offer and I will keep an eye out for your answer. Glad you mentioned I need the Spyder2 for the LCD. On the virus front... Trend Micro 2005 anti-virus will not load in x64, and I don't think their 2006 does either. How's that! I fould Avast anti-virus on the web as a free program that works fine and seems to be OK. Cam I wonder how hard it is to go back to XP Pro 32? Hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Well Cam, going 64 bit in a 32 bit world isn't easy. You are one of a few. But 64 bit windows has been around along while, although for servers mostly. For anti virus, the only one that I know that works is Symantec Corporate. Leading edge isn't cheap, but then anything I can do to run through CS2 to give me valuable time, is worth it. I'll try and load sypder in a bit and run it. Need to eventually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_a1 Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Hello, i'm not a regular contributor to this forum, but here are my two cents: <br><br> Have you converted color spaces for display outside of photoshop? <br><br> check these threads: <br><br> <a href="http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&client=pub-1734703147688622&cof=FORID%3A1%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.photo.net%2Fgraphics%2Fanimated_photonet_logo.gif%3BGL%3A1%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BT%3A%23000000%3BLC%3A%230066cc%3BVLC%3A%23336633%3BALC%3A%230066cc%3BGALT%3A%230066CC%3BGFNT%3A%23666666%3BGIMP%3A%23666666%3BDIV%3A%23999999%3BLBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BAH%3Acenter%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.photo.net%2F%3B&domains=www.photo.net&q=color+space+web&btnG=Search&sitesearch=www.photo.net">photo.net search</a> <br><br>I reccomend a book called 'real world photoshop' as well. <br><br><a href="http://www.adobepress.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=0321245784&rl=1">book link</a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 "Thanks for any comments you have and does anyone know if the Spyder 2 (or similar not too pricey calibators) can be used with x64." I don't thinks so Cam. Searched for updated drivers too, but you may want to double check this. If you find out otherwise, let me know please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_moore13 Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 An easy solution would be to calibrate your monitor while its attached to another computer. Then move the monitor back and copy the profile file. However, note that you MUST use a DVI monitor connection (the white plug) on both computers for this approach to work. With a RGB connection (blue plug) you will get results that depend on the specific video card being used. DVI will be video-card independent as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 great idea David! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Cam, I just heard back from colorvision re drivers for syper and 64... Eric, Unfortunately 64 bit processors are not currently supported. We are in the process of developing drivers for 64bit processors; we anticipate release April 06. Please note discontinued versions of software may not be supported. Thank You, Bob ColorVision Customer Support 800-554-8688 phone 609-895-7430 phone 609-895-7447 fax customerservice@colorvision.com http://www.colorvision.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cam mills Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 Eric thanks for checking out with the manufacturers. I've taken the sage advice herein and last night I did a full wipe of x64 and installed good olde fashioned XP Pro. Everything works now, how nice. Thanks again and now I'm right to get the calibrating going (and use my printer, scanner, outlook spell checka, camera drivers etc etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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