danzel_c Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 I'm stuggling with whether or not this is a good picture. I'd like some feedback before I do it again with other clients. If you don't think so then what would you have done different. Thanks!<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_s___hampton_roads_va Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 I'd get rid of the people and the bright light in the background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce_rubenstein___nyc Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 The fountain and tree in the background don't add anything to the picture, and are somewhat distracting. I like it better cropped.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danzel_c Posted January 15, 2006 Author Share Posted January 15, 2006 It does look better cropped. i guess i was trying to force the fountain in to the picture. now i have to play with photoshop to get rid of those people in the background. i'll play around with the patch tool. here's another one with the fountain in it. how's this one? when including a fountain is it better to have it in the background versus having the couple right up on it? Thanks!<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_levine Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 I would have stood him , in front of her. Your picture makes her look enormous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steakandale Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Its good, and is worth presenting to them after cloning out the people and light, if its any kind of album shot or enlargement costing additional money. For that shot I kind of wanted to see the bride more, my only real complaint. I like both versions. As far as recommendations for future shots? In the first photo my honest reaction is that it looks a little too posed for my taste. I was more comfortable with the second where the fountain is used as added context to your background. I think including parts of the venue are important if they spent the bucks on holding the wedding there over just some hall somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_earussi1 Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 I'm not sure the woman would like it as it makes her arm look fat. You might try reversing them, emphasing the woman's face and the man's body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicola inglis Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 I like the idea of having him looking at her and framing it so you can see his expression well. In terms of using the fountain, could you have gone around the fountain and shot them through the jets of water? Which is it you plan the use again, that composition or the fountain specifically? And perhaps most importantly, did they like it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric friedemann Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Understanding the bride isn't going to get any smaller, if I wanted to keep the image 4x6, I'd do a little burning on the fountain and the bouquet. I'd do a little burning on her body to make her size a little less noticeable. Finally, I'd get rid of the people and the man-made distractions in the background.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric friedemann Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 You could also go square and lose the fountain.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric friedemann Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Oh, I also got rid of that honkin' mole on her arm. It appeared to be staring at me from the computer screen and it was freaking me out a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jared_b. Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 haha. I know im laughin about the laat comment, but that's a little rude, and the bride might not appreciate it. it's part of her and could get offended if it was just removed because the photographer didn't think it looked good. Jared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danzel_c Posted January 15, 2006 Author Share Posted January 15, 2006 All good feedback. Thanks. Chris/Eric, eliminating the people and lights is the way to go. i'll do that. Bruce, I actually like with the fountain included, but it also works without as you suggested. What I'm doing is revising my portfolio with new pictures and may just included both versions of it. but with the fountain is my favorite. Steve/Dale/Mike, I realize now why I was doubting this photo and it's because I can't see enough of her. you're both right, she should have been on the other side. and yeah, her arms do look kinda big. she made a lot of "i look fat" comments when looking through the proof book. but she still loved the picts. Mike, I plan to use that park again with the couple leaning next to the fountain in some shape or fashion. Eric, excellent job with cloning! I don't have a lot of experience with cloning but I will try and duplicate that. Jared, I agree. I usually ask folks before I remove moles and zits. Some people wanna keep that stuff for whatever reason. Thanks again everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaimie blue Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Some women are big so...GET OVER IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelmowery Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 I feel the pose hunched over is not flattering at all. Second and the most crital is use of the wrong lens. It appears that you used a wide agle lens wich is the main reason for the great depth of field . I would choose a long lens next time say aroud 200 at f4 would make a dramatic difference. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Agree with Michael and Steve. So, in this case, crop and correct ...<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry schaefer - chicago, Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Jaimie Not once did it seem like anyone actually condemned the bride for her size. There were numerous responses and many just called out suggestions for balancing out the subjects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marv_stasak___southfield__ Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 I agree with Marc's cropping and the suggestion that a more appropriate lens should have been used. I wouldn't condemn the bride for her size, but I would question her taste in gowns. Why do heav brides with huge arms insist on wearing strapless gowns and then complain about looking fat in their pix? I also think that the bride's mother, maid of honor, best friend--somebody--should be more outspoken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaimie blue Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 I think my question always was, Why do such large brides wear backless, sleevless dresses? Until I realized I was asking the wrong question and the question really is, Why do I have a problem with large brides wearing backless sleevless dresses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric friedemann Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 "Why do heavy brides with huge arms insist on wearing strapless gowns and then complain about looking fat in their pix?" Because the brides think they look good in the dresses until they see the wedding photos. There is something about people viewing themselves in photographs that allows many to see themselves more objectively. Photographs of people capture the difference between the way they intend to appear and the way they actually look. As Diane Arbus noted: "(E)verybody has that thing where they need to look one way but they come out looking another way and that's what people observe. You see someone on the street and essentially what you notice about them is the flaw. Itメs just extraordinary that we should have been given these peculiarities. Something is ironic in the world and it has to do with the fact that what you intend never comes out like you intend it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marv_stasak___southfield__ Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 I think Jamie has the right positive approach. It isn't why does the bride dress like she does, but rather " What can I, as a photographer, do to make that bride look as good as possible". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurenm Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 I loike Marc William's crop. Had I known how to take your photo and crop it and re-post it, I would have done exactly the same. A note on oversized brides from a newbie...Maybe you have to try and figure out how your bride feels about her appearance. I find that some overweight people are very confident and have no problem with how they look (just go to the beach and there are women 250lbs in bikinis. They MUST know they don't look right in a bikini but they are making some sort of statement that they are proud and confident in their body. I wonder if some brides would actually be offended if all the shots of their arms were cropped? Its a touchy, fine line and I guess the photographer has to stay on the cautious side, but just a thought.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristin_brown Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 "I wonder if some brides would actually be offended if all the shots of their arms were cropped?" I agree with Lauren. I think she's attractive in both shots - she's pretty, her dress fits properly, and she looks happy. I honestly can't imagine most brides would appreciate being cropped out of her own wedding photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Well, I'd totally agree if you were cropping a bride out of every shot to avoid showing weight. But this is just one shot ... and something you might do design wise even if the bride was a stick. It's the pose that doesn't work. No one looks good hunched over. Not this girl, nor any bride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprouty Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 You know, I think I'd like it better if they switched places. for some reason I want to see the bride's face rather than the grooms. Not sure why, but I do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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