terry_rory Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Yes, we here in western Europe are the chief culprits responsible for the digital 'rot' LOL.... http://www.dpreview.com/news/0509/05092101west_bigmarket.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h._p. Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 I always wonder who goes round and counts these people. It's like the viewing figures for television: they must be wrong 'cause no-one's ever asked me what I was watching...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_mcloughlin Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Maybe there will be more favorable pricing moves in Western Europe if they continue to be the dominant market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted October 1, 2005 Author Share Posted October 1, 2005 I think the companies and dealers provide the info. It is much less speculative than viewing figures because companies actually KNOW how many cameras they sold in each geography. Dealers in each country also know what sold and how many and to whom. Viewing figures, on the other hand, are guesswork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted October 1, 2005 Author Share Posted October 1, 2005 "Maybe there will be more favorable pricing moves in Western Europe" Doubtful. Most of the extra we pay in Europe is because of high government taxes on 'luxury' items. (17.5 percent VAT here in UK. Higher in some other European countries.) Also the business taxes on dealers, distributors and everyone in the retail 'chain' including warehousing and haulage will be much higher than in the USA. It all adds up. It is unfair to expect the camera manufacturer to take a cut in margin by picking up the bill for government taxation policy in any particular country. Not their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_thorlin Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Just a few thoughts :- Obviously the digital point & shoot market is cut-throat to say the least and the big money for these companies is in the dSLR market - I seem to recollect that Canon said their dSLR sales were only 10% by volume but 30% by value. It maybe if more companies really chase the dSLR market then we will see greater price competition - there is a whiff of rip-off about all this. "Household penetration" does in fact seem low at 39% sometime soon - I seem to recollect that film "penetration" reached somewhere close on 100% so there would appear to be some way to go. Talk of a big swing to "replacement" sales in the near future would seem to indicate that the market is nearing the limit of it's initial growth spurt. The companies will not enjoy this as this is a much harder market to keep growing at current rates - maybe there is a touch of "planned obsolescence" going on to keep people buying the latest and greatest upgrade. Nearly all the camera companies have had profit jolts ( aka Losses )in the last few years ( Canon I think has escaped so far ) and I reckon we are in for more amalgamations or technology sharing agreements or market sharing moves. It will be interesting to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h._p. Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 ""Household penetration" does in fact seem low at 39%" Round our way, household penetration seems to have hit 100%.....<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael s. Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 From time to time, as I've contemplated all that's wrong with the world of photography, I've been comforted by the notion that "it's probably Trevor's fault." Reassuring to know that I've been correct. -:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted October 1, 2005 Author Share Posted October 1, 2005 oi ! (Oh alright, its true) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted October 1, 2005 Author Share Posted October 1, 2005 "Why read one newspaper when you can surf them all?" Because you just get one version of the same lies rather than many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewlamb Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 "Because you just get one version of the same lies rather than many?" Own up, are you really Rick from the Young Ones? Great article on Diane Arbus in today's Guardian for those of you who missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_doyle Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 <i>Round our way, household penetration seems to have hit 100%.....</i> <p> What, of Apple laptops ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gup Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Trevor, what does OT mean in your subject line? In two years I have never been able to figure it out! Gup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crackers_. Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 The prediction is that the current thousand-dollar hotcakes will be replaced in two years? I haven't gotten my money's worth out of my FED2 yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_kaplan1 Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 OT is short for "off topic". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majid Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 OT = Off-topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted October 1, 2005 Author Share Posted October 1, 2005 "Great article on Diane Arbus in today's Guardian for those of you who missed it." No-one should miss a great article. Here is the link.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,,1580797,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewlamb Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Thanks for the link, Trevor. Are you going to see the exhibition at the V&A? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted October 1, 2005 Author Share Posted October 1, 2005 I am thinking of it yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_mcbride Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 Fie on you Europeans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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