zachary Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 EF-S 18-55mm f3.5-5.6EF 28-105mm f3.5-4.5EF 50mm f1.8EF 70-200L f4 At least one of these lenses are almost always mentioned when someone asks about buying a first or second lens for their DSLR camera. They are versatile, inexpensive and relatively inexpensive. Depending on your needs, chances are one that of these lenses will help you. So now that I finally have them all I would like to help others by testing thier true optical performance and posting the results on photo.net. You ask, "what is wrong with all the other lens tests around?" Nothing. The only thing is that they are all tested by different people using different cameras and people all have different techniques. By testing them all myself, you will see a level playing field all around. Obviously zoom factors are not the same on all of the lenses, but there is quite a bit of overlapping. I will also pot results of focal lengths that the other lenses dont match (such as the 18mm of the 18-55 and the 150 and 200 of the 70-200). This isnt a lense comparison test ("which one is better?"), its merely their optical performance.If I can help one person by this then the whole test is worthwhile. If anyone has any suggestions for the test please let me know. I will be using a Rebel XT, (ISO 100), a Bogen 3021, and the test will be indoors so I can control environmental factors such as light, fog, and wind. This will not be shots of FTM charts or technical charts, it will be a real life type test so you can actually see how a real life subject will be affected. Results should be posted in the next few days. Zach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimstrutz Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Don't tell me about the labor pains, Zach. Just show me the baby. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caesar Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 I think the EF-S 18-55 that people talk about is the EF-S 18-55 USM, not the kit lens, which is non-USM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobatkins Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Makes no difference. Same optics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_chappell Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 <I> By testing them all myself, you will see a level playing field all around. </i><P> Except that you're not accounting for the possibility of sample variation, of course. If you want to do this test in a really meaningful way, you'll need to get six or eight copies of each lens and test them all, using appropriate descriptive statistics. That should give us a reasonable indication of how much intersample variation to expect. For zoom lenses you should test multiple copies of both new and well- used units, to make sure that all those moving parts (lens elements moving back and forth, etc.) don't lose fine tolerances with wear and tear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zachary Posted November 8, 2005 Author Share Posted November 8, 2005 Oh yeah, a quick question, should I use Paramater 1 or Parameter 2? 2 is more neutral, but differences will be more clearly seen with 2, which I think is more like the way people will be using the lenses. Yes,I understand that I cant count for lens variations (I dont have 8 lenses of each :), but the test will be assuming I have an average one, which I would say accurately describes 80-90 percent of lenses that leave Canon's factory. Zach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taner Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Unless you focus at infinity, focus accuracy of each lens will always be potential weak links in your test; how about 'real life targets' at infinity (outdoors obviously)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobatkins Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 How do you know you're properly focused at infinity? How is it easier and more accurate to focus at infinity than at 20ft? Using manual focus and just hitting the long focus limit stop isn't an accurate method of focusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris76 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I can save you some time to tell you that performance will be as follow 1. 50mm - Good from F2.8 very good 2. 70 - 200L - Very good 3. whats left - Okay to good - Stopped down Dont own all the lenses but have used them at one stage or have done some research on them. Dont let this stop you as it will be nice to see if we agree in our findings. Good luck Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_chappell Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 <I> which I would say accurately describes 80-90 percent of lenses that leave Canon's factory.</i><P> And you base this assumption on.... what? This is sort of like flipping a coin twice, getting heads both times, and concluding that coins always come up heads. Without testing considerably more than one lens, you have <B><I>no basis at all</i></b> for concluding that a particular copy is average, or if 80-90 percent of produced lenses are 'accurately described' by a given sample. This is fundamental statistical theory.<P> It may be that QC is excellent and that most lenses are very similar to each other, but without a reasonable sample size there's no way of knowing that in any meaningful way. The only thing you can conclude from testing a single copy is that at least one lens is that good (or bad). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldonnalos Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Since you're already up to the test, I'll add my own lens tests as an additional data point for 3 out of the 4 lenses involved. (Sorry, no 18-55mm since I'm using a 10D). Hopefully having all these extra tests in one thread will help with showing sample variation as well. Regarding methodology on my tests, I've found that focusing at something closer to infinity (30-50 ft) helps take slight focus errors out of the equation. I've used my backyard on most tests. I use Parameter 0 on the 10D (sharpening, contrast, saturation and tone all set to zero), mirror lockup, tripod, self timer. You might also give my formatting a try, since it makes visual comparison for others much easier. Here goes a bunch of posts, hopefully I don't clog the thread too bad! Sheldon<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldonnalos Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 and another...<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldonnalos Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 whoops, another try at that one...<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldonnalos Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 and yet another...<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldonnalos Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 And more still<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldonnalos Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 And on to another lens...<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldonnalos Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 And the edge crop...<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrik.ploug Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 "If you want to do this test in a really meaningful way, you'll need to get six or eight copies of each lens" Then we would never see any tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldonnalos Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 On the wide end, in the center...<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldonnalos Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 On the wide end, at the edge...<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldonnalos Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 At the long end, in the center...<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldonnalos Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 At the long end, edge crops, pardon the focus errors on this one...<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldonnalos Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 And one more of the 70-200mm... center crops...<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldonnalos Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 And the last one... edge crop....<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldonnalos Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 So, now that I've completely wasted the bandwidth of the forum, here's my rough thoughts. The 50mm f/1.8 represents an excellent value for the money, though I did find one of the two copies I've tested to be a little on the soft side. Still, I hold nothing against this lens. The 28-105mm is relatively good, but nothing stunning. For a mid range zoom it's not a bad performer at all. Still, a 50mm prime does outperform it, as does L series glass (which of course you would expect). The Canon 70-200mm is also quite amazing, a great value even at $550. I was quite impressed that it held its own against the bitingly sharp 85mm f/1.8. You really can't ask for much better glass than this. Sorry I didn't have any tests to show the 70-200mm f/4 L at the long end. My experience has been that it remains sharp throughout the range. Anyhow, all this really should be hosted on a web server somewhere, but I don't have my own site and don't really have the inclination to do the work (beyond testing the lenses). I'm also excited that I'm going to probably be getting even more lenses to add to my testing database here in a month or two. I should be able to test a 16-35mm f/2.8 L against my 17-40mm, a 70-200mm f/2.8 IS against my 70-200mm f/4, and a 28mm f/1.8, 50mm f/1.4 (another copy) and a 85mm f/1.8 (again, another copy). A friend is going to loan me his full kit as a backup on a wedding I'll be shooting. Anyhow, hope this is of some use to you all! Sheldon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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