stephen_f Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 I have been doing wedding photography for over a year now and I have a couple thats getting married in 2 weeks this Saturday and they haven't gotten in contact with me for their wedding details. Here is what I do. When someone books with me and pays their deposit I get their contact info and they sign a contract that states the day is theirs. Then I setup a time to do their engagement pics. Well they get a free session with any package they do decide to get. So they setup a time to do one ( a sunset session ) and when the time comes, they are a no show. I call my clients in advance to confirm appointments and they didnt even answer that call. So, I wait around, wasting my evening, and he doesn't even call. And I left 2 voicemails asking to please call. So about 3 weeks later, he calls, apologizes and wants to reschuduel and appointment. So I do. Well, I'm out on location and he calls 45 minutes before his appointment and says they can't make it, again, and he'll call to setup another appointment. Well, I'm just bending over backwards at this point, because they only get one free session, and they have stiffed me twice. Well, he never called back. So I called their contact numbers on two different dates stating that their wedding is approaching fast and we need to do a final consultation (I do that a month before) to get all the times, dates, locations, etc in the contract. They still haven't called back. This Saturday, it will be two weeks before the wedding, now their balnace is due, and I still don't have the details, where their getting married, times, etc. I'm wondering what I can or should do, if anything, and if they do get in contact, how should I handle the situation. They live in Chicago, about 3 and half hours from where I'm located, they don't answer their cell phones, or work phones when I call. I'm also wondering, if they stiff me on the wedding can I get any other fees out of them beside the non refundable deposit?? Thanks in advance, sorry this is so long. Frustrated Photographer in Illinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_ Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 You need to make a decision. You can send a "registered" return receipt letter to the bride (or the groom,) explaining why you have elected to take a pass on doing their wedding. Enclose a highlighted copy of your contract and explain no balance payment was received. Or you can take 7 hours of travel and get lucky on the wedding date: if you can find out where the wedding is being held. You have to be a businessman in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury_cohen Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 You say their balance is due now (two weeks before the wedding). Is this is part of your contract or verbal agreement. If part of the contract it would seem they have failed to keep the contract and you may not be obligated to show. A certified letter well before now might have been a good idea. They do sound pretty irresponsible from your side of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_schilling___chicago_ Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 First, I would suggestthat you relax, breathe nice big breaths. I suspect that you'll be hearing from them sometime, maybe soon. Photography is probably not a big priority for them. What does the contract say? I suspect that the deposit secures their date, does the contract specify consequence of nonpayment in the two weeks prior? Are you in a position where you are turning down a work offer for the scheduled date? In the mean time, relax....maybe send a letter. Do you have an email address for either the bride/groom? I'm suprised you didn't have any details on venue, church, or estimates on times in the contract already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medina photography cherry Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Perhaps you should put the location of the wedding as well as the times and dates in the contract. This way you could show up at the venue when it is supposed to take place and shoot as normal. Some people just do not care about the photography and are just going through the motions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_levine Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 1) I would send them a certified letter stating that the payment was due. And that you aren't going to show untill payment is made. 2) Stop offering free engagement photo sessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_yuhas Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Perhaps the wedding has been called off? Happens. I had a non-communicative client earlier this year. Turned out to be a class thing. The groom was upper-class Iranian. Talking to the "help" just wasn't on, old boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen_f Posted September 22, 2005 Author Share Posted September 22, 2005 I do put the dates and times in, but usually we do it all with our final consultaion or when we meet for an engagement session because at that time they know for sure what church they are getting married in, if they've reserved a reception hall, the times that will work for them. Thats why I do that all a month before at the latest. I've been trying to make contact with no answer. I think I will send a certified letter. There is no penalty fee on my contract, but maybe I should add one. I have turned down multiple couples that wanted to book on this date, but I was assuming this couple paid a deposit because they wanted the date and I was under the impression that I would get an additional profit from this date, but now, it seems like I wont hear from them at all. If I do, I think I should charge them a late payment fee. Does anyone ever do that, if so, what would be a reasonable late payment fee for a wedding package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeb Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Is a late payment fee in the contract? Payment was in the contract, right? Yes, they did break the contract. If you wanted a late fee or any other penalty you needed to spell it out in the contract. I would not sign a contact that had late fees and other penalties beyond the retainer / deposit. Do your competitors charge a late fee? You need to make the retainer large enough to be ok if the wedding is canceled. A contract requires balance. A retainer balances out the chance the wedding is called off or date changed. My understanding is you can make a new contract but can not unilatteraly change a contract. I am not a lawyer nor do I play one ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conraderb Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Stephen - another vote for the contract. Also, a vote for calling them every weekday at 9am, 12noon, 3pm, 6pm and 8pm until you make contact. Leave on message a day. Be friendly, and assume that they are just really busy with details, instead of trying to avoid you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonhamilton Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 The answer is pretty easy really.. 1.) Write them a certified letter stating that they are in breech of contract for failure to pay by the due date, and you would now be free to schedule that day to another customer, their loss on the deposit. (this should be in your contract) If they DO pay you, then they once again have the date locked. 2.) If they never contact or pay you, (after making a very reasonable attempt to contact them) then you simply don't show up, go about your business, and do your best to shoot something else that day 3.) If they DO contact you, let them know of the above, and they are due right away. 4.) definitly stop offering free engagement sessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnWebster Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 Don't use the word deposit in your contract, use the word payment to reserve the date and time. A potential client who does not have the wedding location and reception location confirmed I usually do not book until they do. A few have been insistant that they will get married on a specific date and I remind them that if they change their date for any reason the payment to reserve is not refundable. The payment to reserve is $1000. I also fill out an info card when the couple books giving me the parents names, addresses, and phone numbers in addition to the bride and groom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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