fotografz Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Having received a fair amount of private e-mails asking how to do those "dreamy" B&W conversions from digital files, I thought to post an answer here for those interested in the technique ... and show how the technique was applied it to one wedding for B&W album images we're printing right now. These were from this past Saturday's wedding assignment. The link is here: <a href=http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=524341>B&W</a> The technique used is a combination of how you shoot: let the color temp go warm and be a bit more red in the color file ... especially the skin. Basically, use just enough fill-flash and let the tungsten ambient light prevail. If outdoors, just process the files to the warm side or use a warming filter. The more pinkish the skin, the "dreamier" and blemish free it will be after the next step... In Photoshop go to the Channels window; at the top right there's an arrow; click on it and scroll to split channels. It'll provide separate blue, green and red channel B&W images. Often people use the green channel for B&W (and I did so for a couple of the images in the linked folder) ... but I've taken to using the red channel for the look shown in the linked folder above. You usually can discard the blue channel image. BUT keep the green one to use for some layered work if necessary. For example, if the subject is wearing red lipstick, their lips will be very pale in the red channel image. I then simply select the lips from the green channel image, feather it 4-5 pixels and drop it into the red channel version. You don't have to be really precise when selecting ... it's exactly the same image, so it always fits. Adjust the layer to work with the base image and flatten the file. Then convert the whole file to RGB. Now adjust using Levels, or whatever you use to adjust tones, and consider using the Selective Color controls under Image Adjust ... where there are separate Black, Mid-tone and White controls. Shadow/Highlight is often helpful also because black tuxes tend to be dark in the red channel image. Hope this answers the folks who inquired ... and anyone else interested in this technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stacy Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Wow Marc- these are beautiful photos- and very good information! Thanks so much for sharing...I'll post my try with your method :) Not quite dreamy, but I wasn't shooting for tungsten, so that could be my problem.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott squire nonfiction Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Stacy, It may not be perfectly dreamy, but it's an excellent conversion nonetheless. This is something I've been struggling a bit with myself, and I'm going to work on Marc's procedure. Thank you, good sir! Wonderful work, and generous as ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd1664878707 Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Thanks Marc. That was very generous of you. As always, your images are amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daydreamsart Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Thanks so much, Marc! I've always admired your B&W and wondered how it was done. I just tried it out on a senior portrait I'm working on. I adjusted tones with the selective color and a bit of shadow/highlight. Also used some of the green channel and set it to multiply, reducing opacity to about 50%. I had never used the "split channels" before. Cool! Thanks for sharing.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted September 2, 2005 Author Share Posted September 2, 2005 Nice job Cindy. Maybe just a touch more contrast ... unless the web compression flattened it a bit (which it did on some of my shots also). Try a print, you'll be amazed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jairy hunter Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 What am I doing wrong?<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliet_sequeira___san_jose Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 i tried as well.. and here's a before/after<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon jacobson Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 For those that have never shot B/W film with a red filter probably are having a difficult time understanding what's happening digitally. A red filter on a lens will cut out the color red reaching the film, and the hue is neutralized. (Is that a legit short explanation?) To digitally "desaturate" the image to B/W, the red still looks dark. Marc is recommending using the ambient light to give the skin tone a natural tint of red (& obviously yellow, but it doesn't matter here) and then "simulating" a red filter. Likewise if you take a color film image, and process it in black and white, the red will look dark. The below image: first is the original color, and then digitally converted to B&W, the second simulating a blue filter, and the third simulating a red filter. I used the channel mixer, 100% red & 100% blue, respectively. Notice how the red and blue shirts change. When adjusting with the channel mixer, it becomes "eye of the beholder." When I'm editing 8 bit and not using an action, I like the Virtual Photographer plug-in.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colleendonovan Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Thank you, thank you, Marc!! You will forever be my hero!!! Colleen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kari douma Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Thanks for posting this! I don't have time to try it now, but deffinately will soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfr Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Thanks for posting this Marc. I always used quite a bit of red in my BW conversion, but never used this much. I tried it out and it looks beautiful, can't wait to see the print.<br><br> Maybe it is possible to make your method even easier. I believe that with the action I posted in the image below, it is possible to avoid having to split the channels and make it a bit faster with a little more control.<br><br> I always used the action below to make BW conversions below. I make two adjustment layers with the settings from the image below. One is there to imitate the filter layer and must bring in the red in this case. The other is there to convert it to BW (called the film layer).<br> When you set the Hue of the Filter layer to about 45 (whatever looks good to you) you imitate the 'red channel' and the Saturation between 35 and 65 (whatever the image needs) for the adjustment of the grays and blacks, otherwise done in Selective color or levels. This way you can go a bit in between green and red to give the lips some color.<br> If you do want to copy the lips or another part of the image, you could let the action create a green layer as well offcourse and either create a layer mask or copy the lips and delete the green layer afterwards completely.<br> If you want to change the hue and saturation afterward, you can just double-click on that layer offcourse. <br><br> This way it speeds up the conversion and the results look the same to me.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjbryant Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 yes, can you post the action link so that it can be downloaded.. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted September 4, 2005 Author Share Posted September 4, 2005 Sorry, I'm not tracking how the above action is faster than clicking on "Split Channels" and instantly having three images to compare and evaluate on screen. The Green Channel often is better than the Red one depending on the lighting. More importantly, no two images are the same unless shot in sequence. Seems to me an action would be slower, and may not be the correct action for a given image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kari douma Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 Alright, here is my try. I used the lips off the green chanel to get them a little darker. Are they too dark? I love this look, but it is time comsuming! I hope I can get faster at it! The first one is how I would have done it before I learned this, the second is Marc's way.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandra_henderson Posted September 7, 2005 Share Posted September 7, 2005 Which version of Photoshop are you guys using because in P7, I go to Image - Adjustments - Channel Mixer and there is not arrow that scrolls to "split channels". It already has a Red, Blue, and Green output channel set at +100% for each color. Boy, do I feel so ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted September 8, 2005 Author Share Posted September 8, 2005 Wrong place. See my step-by-step in the other thread where you asked about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted September 8, 2005 Author Share Posted September 8, 2005 Much better IMO Kari. It'll get a lot faster after doing a couple of them. I did over a hundred yesterday, including multiple layers. Took about 5 hours total ... including printing them ... which added about a couple of hours to the process. BTW, printing these conversions using an Epson 2200 with Matte Black ink on Enhanced Matte paper is spectacular looking. Almost a platinum feel. Very romantic looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonsmith Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 Thought I would have a go at this myself. This image was shot in Tungsten light and was quite warm. How did I do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonsmith Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 In downsizing and converting the profile to sRGB it seems to have lost a little dreamyness... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonsmith Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 Sandra The "Split Channels" option is located in the Channels palette. Just click on the little arrow in the top right corner of the pallette and you will see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewkane Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Wow this makes B&W digital comparable to film. Finally! Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted January 11, 2006 Author Share Posted January 11, 2006 Jason, start with sRGB before doing this technique, not after. sRGB is a narrower color space and will alter the look of most edited images. Or, if you must convert after working on an image in PS, go to File > scroll down to "convert to" rather than "assign" in PS. Then when the color space dialog box opens, scroll to sRGB and select it. "Convert to" usually more closely maintains the on-screen image while converting the RGB color space to sRGB. If you "assign" sRGB it almost always significantly alters the look of the image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepblue Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 What a great effect. Thanks for posting this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer valencia Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 I just found this thread & tried it out - awesome! Thanks for sharing this technique. Jennifer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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