davebell Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 I recently purchased a 70-200F4 L lens for my 350D and it got facntastic pictures with it. However, a few days after getting it I noticed 2 small specs of dust on the glass element below the front/top glass element (I am no expert....). Considering I paid GBP490 for this baby, I thought that was not good enough and returned it for an exchange. The second and third lenses had even more specs below the top glass, albeit small and maybe I'm a nit-picker but that's loads of money to pay for a lens if it has these imperfections. By the way, the 2nd/3rd lenses were clearly used/demo models as the one had a bit of food stuck to it..... enough said. I got a refund but really want to buy another one, am I being a pedantic nit-picker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aardvarko Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 Dust in-lens doesn't make any difference unless it's thick enough to draw in with your finger. The dust COULD, given sufficient quantity (and I really do mean ludicrous amounts), reduce overall contrast. That's it. A lot of people seem to think dust or dirt will cause little black holes to appear in their images, and that's just a basic incomprehension of optics. Look at it this way - whenever you zoom the lens, air whooshes around inside the lens, and with some lenses, INTO and OUT of the lens. Dust is inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bens Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 david, i'm an amateur and don't have this lens. i'm only writing cuz of the specks of dust issue. the food/demo issue would be unacceptable to me. but if i am getting great shots out of a lens, a couple of specs of dust would not cause me to return it. i in fact have bought a used lens at a 1/3 price break that has a lot more dust, and it takes excellent shots. glad i did. (canon 85/1.8, from keh.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_white2 Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 Yes, you are picking nits. ;-) Those specs of dust will have no effect on your images. All lenses get them, especially zooms. Buy another one, check it for food, and as long as there's no food, keep it. ;-) I own quite a few lenses from Canon, Leica, Schneider, Rodenstock and Zeiss. All of them have some dust inside. And all make fine photographs. If you really want to feel sick, hold any of your other lenses in one hand, take a flashlight and shine it through and look down the lens towards the flashlight. You'll be appalled at how much junk is inside. But it has no effect on your images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_phan Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 A couple specks of dust are going to have absolutely no effect on image quality. If you look at the equipment of people who shoot for a living, you'd be surprised at just how dirty their equipment is, or just how dirty their equipment gets, with little or no impact on image quality. I've done plenty of shooting with excellent results, never even realizing how dirty my lens glass had gotten until I got home and took a good look at my lenses. There's a difference between unrealistic expectations and practical expectations. And most users know that a few specks of dust on the lens won't have any practical impact on image quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebell Posted July 17, 2005 Author Share Posted July 17, 2005 Thanks to all, my dust phobia has been exorcised and I will shortly purchase a replacement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_nancarrow Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 All that has been said about dust is true, it doesn't make a difference in the pic or show up, in most cases, there is the one in a thousand case of it being in a area that does show up. Anyways, I don't think you're being nit picky, I would expect a new lens to have no visible dust inside and only the slightest little bit under very close inspection with a point source light while looking through. Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick johnson Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 My mate has just returned the same lens because it had 1, yes 1, speck of dust in it. The second one had what looked like a bubble in one of the elements inside the lens. He is just about to get his 3rd one and I've told him if it has any dust in it and he won't accept it to ring me and I will go get it for myself as I'm about to get this lens anyway. I believe this lens is completely sealed and won't suck in dust as it does'nt change length when zoomed so it should be clean inside. Mick....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark u Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 Think of dust this way.... Each point in your subject is emitting a cone of light which is captured by the front element and focussed by the lens onto the sensor. With the lens wide open, that cone has a diameter of about 15-50mm (depending on the focal length in use), whereas the dust spec is probably 0.1mm in diameter, so it blocks less than 1/22,500th of the light. Even stopped down to f/16 it's blocking less than 16/22,500ths of the light (assuming it's still in the optical path). However, at the rear element the light cone is becoming more focussed, and dust begins to be more of a problem. Of course, it's even more of a problem if it's on the filter that lies over the sensor - but even there, it usually only shows up when you use a narrow aperture that makes the focussed light cones more like a searchlight that can cast a shadow that shows up on the sensor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ky2 Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 My Nikkor 180/2.8 ED AIS, had a 2mm spec on its rear element. You could easily spot it, if you'd turn the lens upside down. It was my sharpest lens ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuppyDigs Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 Shine a penlight down the barrel and look through the other side and you'll see a lot more than 2 specs of dust. All lenses have some dust particles when new. That's just how it is. Like others have said, the inner elements move during focus and zoom operations and thereby displace air. The displacement of air will bring more dust. Some dust is unavoidable. So, even if you returned the lens and got one without dust (extremely unlikely), you'll soon suck in dust... So why waste your time peeping down the barrel of you lens when you could be out shooting with it? Sometimes the light’s all shining on me. Other times I can barely see. - Robert Hunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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davebell Posted July 20, 2005 Author Share Posted July 20, 2005 Thanks for that link Paul, I wioll check it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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