stella_blunt Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 I just got the 2200 - My first few prints are giving bronzing - I know I have to get used to the 2200 & experiment - But can anyone help with this specific problem .Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce_watson1 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Bronzing or gloss differential is caused by the pigments sitting on the surface of the paper. The paper surface is therefore obscured by pigments in some places more than others. Two things. First, you could print on matte papers. Second, you could coat the finished print with a "fixative." Many people seem to like PrintShield spray lacquer, for example. There are dozens if not hundreds of products out there to help with this, so YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtk Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 I love my 2200 but there's no real fix for bronzing unless you stop using Epson's pigments and use non-Epson inks/dyes such as Lyson...they're not as archival. Epson's pigments cause a dichroic effect (multi color under different lights, like a pearl) due to the fact that they are encapsulated in the plastic that makes them archival. I don't find current sprays sufficiently effective to justify their use. All sprays can do is apply a filter layer that cuts out some of the spectra that produce the bronzing effect ....if someone would make a slightly warmer spray, rather than perfectly clear one, that might do the trick. My current favorite 2200 paper is currently Moab Entrada Natural...archival, matte, beautiful. No bronzing at all, since it's matte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary_woodard Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 might look into the R1800 with new "gloss optimizer" which in theory puts the bronzing to rest, my only problem with the 2200, but #$% you just bought it ! Epsons samples are carefully chosen to not reflect the bronzing problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beauh44 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 What kind of paper are you using? Epson Premium Glossy paper is awful with the 2200. Try Premium Luster or Semi-Gloss. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frdchang Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 the 2200 is not designed to print on glossy. i second the notion that you should try semi-luster or matte. i print exclusively on matte with my 2200 and very happy with the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wedding-photography-denver Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 The R800 is the same system as the R1800 and it too bronzes on the gloss paper. Luster and Matte are the real answers so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william_yu Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I found the R800 or the new R1800 did much better on Epson Glossy paper. If you want to stay with glossy paper, try the Pictorico High Gloss White Film (www.pictorico.com). I have used this paper for a while, and it does reduce the bronzing effect quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_heffernan1 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I've had good results with Ilford Galerie Smooth Gloss Paper. The profile from Ilford's web site resulting in too-green prints, but a custom profile from Dry Creek Photo fixed that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary_woodard Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Luster is not the answer to bronzing, most of my bronzing occurs on Epson Luster Paper, switching to matte paper works unless you want to print on gloss, semi-gloss or luster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helenbach Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 When printing on Kokopelli Photo Gloss with my 2200 I find that all traces of bronzing and all but the faintest of traces of gloss differential disappear after using a gloss varnish - the surface is also protected and the dark tones deepen. I use at least two coats of Golden water-based gloss polymer varnish diluted 2+1 with distilled water and apply it with a roller. The first coat sometimes leaves traces of bronzing. It took me a bit of practice to get good results, but I'd rather do that than use a spray. I tried the same with prints from the R800 on Epson Premium Glossy Photo and found that it is better to leave the gloss optimizer off if you are going to varnish. Best, Helen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khitrovg Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 Stella, I have been using 2200 for two years now. Bronzing was an issue, primerily with Epson papers, luster in particular. However, ever since I switched to Lexjet semimat, which has significantly reduced bronzing, and much better quality. Furthermore, I have incorporated the use of the coating spray "Lumijet". Now my prints are indestinguishable from conventional development and to take it further, I have up to date made 17 flush mount albums ranging from 5x7 to 11x14 printing everything at home with increadible success. I hope this helps. Sincerely, Greg http://www.treasurethemoments.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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