rubsh_kaboor Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I'm surprised by all the good stuff Canon decided to put in 350D (AF modes, custom funcs, metering control, ...). Considering that 20D is 60% more expensive, it'll be interesting for new buyers to understand the differences. So far, I can see: - More frames per sec - Prism vs. Mirror for viewfinder - ISO 3200 I suspect that these are fairly trivial differences for most users to justify additional cost. Did I miss something or is Canon really trying to corner the entry level market at the risk of premium it commands for mid-range bodies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopher_bibbs Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Don't forget the Quick Control Dial. I know, it sounds like a small thing, but it really is much nicer to use. Maybe not $600 nicer, but I would pay $50 more for an otherwise identical model that had the QCD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrestrikon Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I would guess that a replacement for the 20D is close to being announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erb_duchenne Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 As far as I can tell the differences are still large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefan_deisz Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Another difference is the AF: the 20D focusses down to -0.5 EV, while the 350D does +0.5 EV. And what about build-quality? The 20D is magnesium-alloy and should be more durable. And let's not forget that in the old days when we used film, the body did not influence image quality at all, but still some people bought a 1-series EOS anyway... Stefan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitmstr Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 There are quite a few *significant* differences between the two. How important those are depends entirely on the intended use of the camera and/or the user's level of expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormegil Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 - Longer burst - Build Quality - 9 point Diamond AF - Long exposure noise reduction? The one where you do a 30 second exposure followed by a 30 second exposure with the shutter closed to subtract noise - 0.2 MPixels...still confused why Canon would bother making 2 different APS-C sized CMOS sensors at about 8 MPixel. Must be cheaper to produce or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnan_76 Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I believe the 20D top shutter speed is 1/8000 v. 1/4000 for the new Rebel. Important for the "f1.4 and be there" crowd :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobatkins Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 There are lots of differences (and BTW the 20D is NOT due to be replaced anytime soon. My guess is maybe PMA 2006?). The 20D has these advantages: Faster frame rate Larger buffer Rear control dial More AF points, better AF PC socket 17 vs 9 custom functions. Battery compatible with D30, D60, 10D etc. Larger (slightly!) sensor Pentaprism (vs. Pentamirror) 100,000 cycle shutter (XT?) It's not a Rebel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilb Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 imminent 20D replacement? I think you're smoking something... I'd say we have about a year before that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick_kirton Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 i spoke to my local dealer in m/bro /uk and he informed me there was a new replacemnt for the 300d out in a couple of weeks and said it would be a lot better camera for the the same price(or thereabouts) as i was keen to buy my first digi slr i thought that was very good of him ..when he could have had a 3600 sale ......so i will wait and treat myself to a 350d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant g Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Don't forget about the damn batteries. Still mad about that. And the BG-E3. I hope that it's not more than the $90-100 for the Drebel's BG-E1. That alone is worth sticking or staying with a BP511(a) camera. I have 8 batts, a single and dual chargers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_larson1 Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Honestly, I am quite, quite pleased with the 350D feature set. A very viable camera. The 350D to 20D step is alot smaller than the 300D to 10D step. I really think the incremental features on the 20D are very, very small. The price difference is a F4L lens. So, which would you rather have: 350D with 16-35/2.8 or 20D with 17-40/4L? Or put another way: 20D with 17-40/4L or 350D with 17-40/4L, 50/1.8 and 70-200/4L? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_sullivan Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 and the 20D multi function dial (ie joy stick), and associated custom setting for direct use of it......... for use with the auto focus selection point.........really got use to that, don't think I could use a multi point AF without it any more.....well, maybe, but it is a feature I have come to fully appreciate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_sullivan Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 20D with a 17-40 f4, 50 f1.8 and a 70-200 f4 ;o) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbert Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Yes there are a lot of minor differences. For a few people that will be very important. For the vast majority of people it won't, which is why the drebel will continue to outsell the 20D by a factor of many times. Even the old drebel was outselling the better featured D70 and 20D substantially. Don't make the mistake of thinking photonet junkies are a respresentative sample of camera buyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_sullivan Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 actually, the 20D was my first digital of any kind..........i would probably be hard pressed to choose between the 20D and the 350D if it was 4 months ago. Sorta glad I bought then and got it over with, was hesitating too long as it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asaf_tzadok Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 It is very interesting to see that Canon are reducing sensor size while giving more resolution. I hope it won`t go lower. When I was just convinced that the D10 successor will have a crop factor of 1.3 we got a smaller sensor. Now, we are getting a EF-S prime ? if it were wide I understand but 60mm ? why should we buy one like this ? ir is not cheaper and it definitely means that Canon will have a 1.6 crop factor for long time .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjoseph Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I would gladly upgrade to an XT if Canon hadnt changed the batteries! The charger and batteries I bought for the Rebel are NOT CHEAP. I would rather go for a 20D at this point than pay extra for new batteries and charger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuppyDigs Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 "So, which would you rather have: 350D with 16-35/2.8 or 20D with 17-40/4L? Or put another way: 20D with 17-40/4L or 350D with 17-40/4L, 50/1.8 and 70- 200/4L?" trouble is most buyers are diehard Canon geeks with plenty 'o lenses so your reasoning won't fly for most. I'd gladly pay the extra money just for the magnesium body, QCD and glass prism. Sometimes the light’s all shining on me. Other times I can barely see. - Robert Hunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil vaughan - yorkshire u Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I find the price comparisons from the US to be strange, in the UK the price difference between these 2 bodies isn't an F4L lens it'll be about 200gbp, which is about a 35mm f2 or a 55-200 consumer zoom (nice kit with the 18-55;-). For me the build quality QCD and CF4 are worth 200gbp easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg M Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 One of the bigger differences to me as far as function goes is the way you go about changing certain settings- the Rebel XT is almost completely menu-driven. For instance, the metering modes and flash exposure compensation on the Rebel XT requires you to go into the menu system, which requires you to lower the camera and make the appropriate selections. With my 10D and the current 20D there are dedicated buttons where you can make those adjustments on the fly without taking you eye from the viewfinder. It's really great Canon has built all of those functions into this new camera though. At least they are giving the user the option. When it comes to convenience of use though, the 20D has it beat, hands-down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormegil Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Actually, the Metering mode is accessible without going into the Menu system. The left "cross" key shows an icon for metering mode. Unless they decide to put FEC on the Jump key like Wasia did, it does seem to be in the menu system, which seems inordinately slow and annoying compared to the hacked 300D. Also, this camera does have the long exposure noise reduction in the CFs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_austin Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I bought a 10D about 3 months before the dRebel came out. I got a 20D as a gift from my wife (so the $$ still came out of my pocket) about 3 months before the dRebel XT was announced. I haven't regretted either decision for a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_dunn2 Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 <p>I'm very surprised by a few things about the 350D, like the fact that it doesn't share the 20D's sensor. You'd think it would make more sense for them to build a large number of one sensor and put it into two models than to build two similar but different sensors for different models. I'm also surprised about how many features the 350D has that have traditionally been absent from Rebels (stuff that lets the user take control, like CFs and direct control over AF and metering modes).</p> <p>I'm not surprised by the 7-point AF system. It's a system whose development costs have long since been recovered and must be the least expensive of Canon's current AF systems to build. Also, simply having a different AF system than the 20D would help thwart firmware hackers; having a different imaging sensor should finish that job. And, of course, Canon has to ensure that the 20D retains some advantages over the 350D to justify its continued existence at a higher price.</p> <p>I've been poring through reviews and press releases for the 350D to see whether I should be buying it instead of a 20D while I wait for Canon to produce what I really want, which may or may not be the 20D replacement which I expect to arrive at this time next year. My conclusion is that the 350D is not for me. I'm an Elan guy, and there's enough stuff missing from the 350D but present in the 20D that the 20D is a better fit for me. But boy, the 350D sure is a nice camera and it should be very easy to recommend it to a lot of folks.</p> <p>Now I wait for the 350D's arrival in stores to push the price of the 20D a bit lower :-)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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