michael_b._elmer Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 See this link: http://www.photografica.com/images/news_upload/Info%201%202005%20Summicron%202,0%2075.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_b._elmer Posted March 15, 2005 Author Share Posted March 15, 2005 price 1777 EURO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grg Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 <a href="http://www.photografica.com/images/news_upload/Info%201%202005%20Summicron%202,0%2075.pdf">LINK</a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grg Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 <center><img src="http://gilgabo.squarespace.com/resource/75Summicron1.jpg?userId=16218&fileId=85979" width="600"></center> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliot_rosen Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Not bad for a company that so many people say is gone and buried. Michael, the announcement says 2200 Euros not 1777, but I hope you are right about that. The only downer is that at 595 gm, the lens is as heavy as the 75/1.4 Summilux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Eliot I think the quoted size and weight figures are for the lens and packaging ,for some unknown reason! Regards Bruno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_shriver Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 <p>Embarrassing typo:</p> <blockquote>Both targets have been met in a form so compact that it does infringe the field of view of the 75mm frame when looking through the camera...</blockquote> <p>I suspect they meant "does not".</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliot_rosen Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Bruno, you're right, it does say that. But how much could the packaging weigh? I did notice that it has a floating element (pair) for close up performance/ Once Leica developed the technique to do this in a limited amount of space (as in the 50/1.4 ASPH M), they will use the same technique on other lenses. Just like the ASPH technology to make reliable aspherical surfaces without had grinding and polishing, which started with the 35/1.4 ASPH-M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Eliot Let's hope it's as much as possible - got to be about 150grams I reckon? Regards Bruno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_b._elmer Posted March 15, 2005 Author Share Posted March 15, 2005 Regarding the price, see this: http://www.photografica.com/news/default.asp?mode=display&category=25&id=312 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__jon__ Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Hmm, I wonder why they didn't show this at PMA. Looks nice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_b._elmer Posted March 15, 2005 Author Share Posted March 15, 2005 Danish VAT is 25 %, so 1777 EURO Excl VAT is 2221,25 EURO Incl. VAT. Photographica say they have begun taking orders. It seems that the 90 AA and the 75/1.4 are both big and heavy and obstruct the viewfinder - so this lens ought to become a great success. I hope they will make it in black paint as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_aitken Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Wonder how Leica come up with their selling prices: "Let's see, the Voigtlander 75mm f2.5 is about 220 euro and our 75mm f2 is 10 times better so that makes..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliot_rosen Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 How about we're a tiny company without the resources of Cosina and with much higher labor costs that needs to somehow recoup the design costs for a lens that is not made for the mass market and will not sell in large numbers. The C/V lens does not have a floating element nor does it use rare glasses, nor is it as well made, nor is it even F/2. Yes, there are people willing to pay more money for a better product, hard though it is to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_fun Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Cool, I wonder if this would cause the price of a used Summilux to drop... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy bennett Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 "I wonder if this would cause the price of a used Summilux to drop..." I hope so! I'm less and less drawn to the almost brittle sharpness and harsh bokeh of some of the latest ASPH offerings, and am drawn more and more to the older lenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patricks Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 IMO, it is annoucements/initiatives like this that is driving this company to the brink of chapter 11. has anyone ever complained about the performance of the 75'lux? does anyone really need a 75/2.0 apsh when there is a stellar 90/2 asph available? Instead of trying to attract new users by e.g. introducing a stipped down M6 without meter with only one VF option priced at $999 and then try to make up for it on lenses, Leica AG continues to engineer for the sake of engineering. Companies that ignore customer wants and needs, and let engineers decide what is "best" have never, and will never, survive in a market economy. What kind of management team do the have other there? I'm so happy I'm not an investor in Leica AG... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben z Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 I think I'll stick to my 50 Cron and take one step forward, or my 90 Cron and take one step backward, should work unless someone nails my shoes to the floor. Those two lenses together cost me less than half the 75 Cron and give me much more flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliot_rosen Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Patrick, have you ever thought about the possibility that there ARE some people out there who want a 75/2 APO lens (we have had several threads about exactly this lens). I can see that if they made something that you want (like the cheap M body), other people who wanted something else might complain. BTW, there are cheaper M bodies available from Konica and Cosina. Not happy with those? How about the new ZI, less expensive than an M7. I don't see any need for Leica to compete in markets it can't possibly win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_aitken Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 It's hard to believe Leica waste R&D resources on this and the 90mm "Macro" Elmar when they so desperately need to get the digital M body developed. In the mean time, as Patrick suggests, they need an entry level (even sub $2000 would be a start) M body to keep users investing in the system. They absolutely need to compete especially with the M mount options ever widening. The ZI could do massive damage to Leica sales - but not if you could buy a decent Leica body for a couple of hundred $'s more. Perhaps Leica should restart M4-2 production in Canada, whoops, sorry, I meant M6-2 production in China... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_hull Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 remind me again, what was the price of the new ZI 85mm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_clark Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 What Leica probably needs to do, in the short term, is to undercut the second hand market: I've heard claims that the lively trade in used bodies and lenses (which are of good and reliable quality) is what stops many people buying new. A simpler, but still high quality new body, might, if the price is right, seem like an attractive proposition for an entrant to Leica rangefinder, or, as a trouble free back up for one who's already comitted and make them think twice about the risks of secondhand. Whether this is economically feasible for Leica, who knows. But to lose out to the secondhand market of your own product seems unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodward_hoffman Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 I don't think the resources that were used to design the 75mm 1:2 are the same resources that would be used to design a digital M. Completely different skill sets. I think (someone said this on another thread) that the new 75mm is part of the strategy for the digital M.. If you assume a 1.2 ~ 1.25 magnification ratio, the 75mm becomes the equivalent of a 90mm. And the 75mm summilux is too large and expensive. But I agree that the 90mm macro makes no sense. On a separate point, Leica doesn't need to make a "cheap" M. Remember that Porsche almost kill themselves when they tried to make a cheap Porsche. Remember the 914? If you want an inexpensive Leica, buy a used one. There are plenty of near mint and exc+ cameras out there. Now, if they want to build an interesting lens, I'd start with a 15mm (unless they want to give that market to Zeiss) and either a 35-50-75 or a 35-50-75-90 Tri- or Quad- Elmar. My $0.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil_swanson Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Whatever Leicas' situation I think this is a great idea. Now the ASPH lens' pretty much cover the whole range. Think of the ASPH lens' as the "New School" look, the older lens "Old School" The 75 'lux is great as it is, but in order to get a really sharp image it ought to be at 2.8-4. I've shot my 75 vs my late model 90 2.8 (perfect at 2.8) and the 75 needs to be 2 stops from WO to match it or hope to match it. If you shoot both wide open the 90 2.8 will win in contrat and resolution of detail. But you don't always want that. But the 75 'lux WO has a wonderful look like the pre-ASPH 35, the "old 50 'lux" and pre-ASPH 90 summicron. We now have a full line of new and old look lens'. What other maker offers that?<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_r._fulton_jr. Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Great. Especially if it's part of a "digital strategy". Now (NOW) how about a 21mm Summicron. Would be great on digital and it would be great for film users. Please, please, please. :->) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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