les_lammers Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 http://hira16s.fotopages.com/ He has another page too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_ng Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 ...sorta ho hum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew robertson Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 I hate to tear into a whole nation of people like this, but most (not all) Japanese photographs evoke a very textbook quality. It's as if they want to show you how a photograph should look, without actually imparting any emotion or feeling. A 'demo' if you will. Let the flames BEGIN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike dixon Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Not a flame, but some relevant questions: Have you, in fact, looked at <b>most</b> photos by Japanese photographers? Or is it more accurate to say that most of the work by Japanese photographers <i>that you have looked at</i> didn't evoke any feeling from you? And, if that's the case, what's the range of work that you've looked at? I agree that I've seen some pretty lame images posted as demonstrations of this or that lens' "quality," but I think that's more a result of "camera geekness" than of nationality. I know I've seen plenty of work by Japanese photographers that was very evocative and powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les_lammers Posted November 26, 2004 Author Share Posted November 26, 2004 Agreed Mike, The link was not for content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 whats the link for again? showing that the lens works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brien_m Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Grant- Les was providing a helpful link for a fair number of people interested in the lens and who would like to get an initial impression of it because it (well, the MC version) isn't available outside of Japan yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 ahhhhhhhh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_kaplan1 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Brien, go easy on Grant! It's no easy task to produce dozens of posts a day (except, it seems, Thanksgiving day)on multiple forums and absolutely never write anything informative, positive, or of particular interest to anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
._._z Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 One might think you were talking about yourself , Al, espeically when it comes to anything non-Leica-related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 yea al, youre just a wealth full of exciting and informative stuff....when i need to know what carton of cigs is the best buy, i'll know who to ask... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_mcbride Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 grant=nihilism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joel_matherson Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 The bokeh doesnt look that bad to me on some of these photos, and the 40 f1.4 seems capable or sharp shots wide open but I think these shots were all taken on an RD-1 with a crop factor so im still hoping to see some results with film using it as an actual 40mm wide lens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les_lammers Posted November 26, 2004 Author Share Posted November 26, 2004 Joel, I don't think these are shot with the RD-1. He has some pix of a fire truck too and they looked good enough to get me to order the lens. BTW, I think I read that the 40 Summicron is a single coated lens. I sure liked it when I had a CL years ago. I can take the heat guys, wearing asbestos underwear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brien_m Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 that will work well, just don't sniff your crouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les_lammers Posted November 26, 2004 Author Share Posted November 26, 2004 Thanks Brien, I won't light any matches either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les_lammers Posted November 26, 2004 Author Share Posted November 26, 2004 Here are the fire trucks. http://hira16s.fotopages.com/?entry=259169&back=http://hira16s.fotopages.com/?page=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imagehause Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Lot of ghosts around the hot spots... very flary... Sharpness seems good as much as you can tell from these photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew robertson Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Mike, obviously I haven't seen most Japanese photographs. There are many Japanese photographers whose work I enjoy, as well! Some of Hira's pictures are great, but some have the 'demo' quality that, as you posited, may come from the camera geekiness that's rife over there. Many of the Japanese photos I have seen, while technically proficient, evoke this feeling in me. I'm not Japanese, and there may be some qualities in them that are only apparent if you are Japanese. As a student of the language and culture of Japan, I know that there are many things about Japan that I may not understand in my lifetime. It wasn't meant as an attack. Just calling them as I see them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masatoshi_yamamoto Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 I gotta say that working Japanese PHOTOGRAPHERS (as opposed to equipment wankers, which this guy with his Nokton clearly is) show more creativity and daring than I see in a lot of work from other countries. I'm referring particularly to a lot of the editorial sutff, where I see Japanese photographers taking chances, and editors printing pictures that would never make it in an American magazine. How many Annie Liebowitz clones are out there? A lot. How many album covers have you seen with the formula of "band looks scruffy, half of band looks at the lens, half look disinterestedly away"? Too many. Safe, teachnically well-done, and all been seen before. Even Japanese porn can be suprisingly creative. When was the last time you saw a Playboy centerfold shot with a fisheye lens to make the boobs look huge? Not that they aren't already, but you know what I mean. It's a nice effect. Try it some time. But yes, this guy with his Nokton is an awful photographer. Probably gets hard just uttering words like "single-caoted...ooooh..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_buckner Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 Japanese photographers produce the best glamour images of women that I've ever seen. You'd think this kind of photography is worked out, but the Japanese keep coming up with new angles on it--sometimes literally! Their use of color and their composition in these shots is sometimes amazing, and usually strikingly good. And I agree: their porn is sometimes creative and strong. ' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew robertson Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 Can anybody toss out some names, so I could re-educate myself on the issue? I am always interested in seeing some fresh photographs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsbc Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 and I'm interested in seeing some of the flesh photos mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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