andrew_pike1 Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 I just got the AF Micro-Nikkor 60mm f/2.8D lens for my birthday on the 7th and took it out to the arboretum for some fun. One thing that surprised me was that when I looked through the viewfinder of my F100, I found that as the focus went in and out, the maximum aperature got smaller and larger. The closer it focused, the smaller it got. I was under the impression that only zooms suffer from this, not single focal length lenses. Why is this happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vivek iyer Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 As the magnification is increased, the effective aperture goes down. This is clearly indicated in 60mm f/2.8. Nothing unusual. Vivek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbq Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 This is because of bellows factor: as you focus closer, the lens gets further away from the film, and the numerical aperture becomes a bad approximation for the effective aperture. The 60/2.8 reports the effective aperture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd peach seattle, washi Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 (deleted a pair of antagonistic responses - moderator) Vivek succinctly nailed it, it has always been so with macro lenses. The newer 'gee-whiz' cameras report this more or less accurately. With older cameras, the photographer had to be aware of the 'lens extension' factor, particularly when dealing with flash exposures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_pike1 Posted September 12, 2004 Author Share Posted September 12, 2004 I see. So, it rather is like in a zoom lens. The farther the front of the lens moves from the aperature blades, the amount of light hitting the aperature blades decreases, thus lowering the effective aperature. Because macro lenses have such greater focusing ranges than other fixed-focal length lenses, the effect is much more pronounced. As with my Nikkormat EL I used a 55mm f/3.5, the effect was less apparent, so I was suprised at first when I saw the aperature go down as I focused. Thanks a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wogears Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Hi! That's neat! Auto bellows factor indication. Do you happen to know if my D70 will do this? (Don't have a Nikkor macro, only the cheapie Vivitar. Will try that tonight, but I assume the "D" factor is important?) Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbq Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 "So, it rather is like in a zoom lens [...]" Not quite. Actually, in a "simple" lens model the entire lens moves away from the film, including the aperture. From behind the lens, the light radiates out of the aperture, and when focusing close the aperture (the source of light) gets further away from the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jemini_joseph Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Same question I've posted a day before!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jemini_joseph Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Sorry forgot to add the link <br> <a href="http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=009S3Y">http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=009S3Y</a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd peach seattle, washi Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 Les - The 'true aperture' trick is mostly a function of the lens, and how it communicates electronically with an AF camera. I would guess that the Vivitar doesn't do this trick, but perhaps..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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