shambrick007 Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 "M mount film based rangefinders = More than enough brands/models for everyone already = commercially doomed. " <p> Seems not to be an issue w/Mr. K of Cosina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shambrick007 Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 "The rangefinder base of this camera appears to be much wider than the Cosina Bessa cameras." <p> Supposedly one of the issues to be addressed with the new C/V body(ies). Now let's have that C/V 90/1.9 or 100/2.0 ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucien1 Posted September 17, 2004 Author Share Posted September 17, 2004 All the Contax G lenses may be available soon in M mount... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve g Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 "One thing that may make commercial sense = Full frame digital rangefinder with M mount and a new range of classic Zeiss made M mount primes to go with it. Oh and with a body price less than the Epson RD-1 AND made in Germany. Now that would get you all going mental!!" <br><br> Would not make any commercial sense because to be priced below the RD-1 and have those specs, they would be selling at a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerry_szarek Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Not necessarily, IF they are buying in volume, figure they can make the body for ~$150, the sensor guts and electronics can be bought from Sony / Nikon / Konolta / even Canon for less than $500 (APS size). I predict ~$1000 - $1500 for the price for the Cosina version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 That was my point. I am describing virtually impossible cameras (impossible at real world prices) which is why the 'real thing' is likely to be much more boring. Yes Sheldon. Cosina/V has seen to it that 'another kid on the block' is going to go precisely nowhere. The rebadged CV Bessa R3 variant theory sounds most likely. Maybe the Rollei badged R2 didn't sell too well because fewer people recognise the Rollei 'name' whereas Zeiss is everywhere thanks to the Sony/Zeiss relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve g Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Gerry, I was referencing his full-frame remarks. An APS sensor size D-RF would be possible for less than the Bessa RD-1, but im not sure if I would agree with numbers as low as you. However, competition is good, so whatever kind of digital RF (if digital at all) it may be, I would be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsbc Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 It has to be a film camera. the only way you can forget about colour cast is to use Tri-X or other B&W film. Although the extrusion on the side can be the hinge of a LCD, most of the LCD hinges are very narrow to facilitate rotation. This one is the width of a roll of film. It will be great if the G 21mm is available in M-mount. Whatever the Zeiss camera, the lens offering means more competition for Leica. The going gets tougher and tougher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerevan Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Just passing by, here's my 2 cents: Someone posted earlier, mentioning a digital Xpan RF. Don't know anything about that at all, but the picture posted at http://www.zeiss.de/de/photo/home_e.nsf -> photokina 2004 special -> Back with Passion, is taken in the harbour of Gothenburg, hometown of Hasselblad. Go figure... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socke Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Trevor, I'm not sure if Rollei sells its rangefinder in germany, at least I haven't seen one anywhere and I realy searched for it. My local dealer is on the Rollei list, but hasen't seen one. It's equaly hard to find a real live Bessa R2 in germany. Seems to be all SE-Asia camera country here :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger_michel Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 "the going gets tougher" i'm not so sure about that. more companies making M mount RF gear may or may not be a bad thing for leica. it may bring more attention to the whole sector and suck more people in. i think, on balance, CV has been good for leica, especially since it provided, in essence, an entry level product that, for many people, was a segue to leica. this may be a slihgtly different situation, but i still think it may generate excitement around the RF world (as the hexar did), and ultimately draw more customers to leica. in any event, it is likely to produce more goodies in the short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chip l. Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 If it is a rebadged Bessa R3A, the question comes up - why is Cosina supposedly bringing out a R2A and an R3A. Could one of the models be an Epson/Cosina/Bessa digital under the Bessa name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_fang Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 If it's digital and reliable, I'm in for two of 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_piper2 Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 The hinge (left) cries out both "film" and "Bessa/Cosina-based" to me. However that's a MUCH longer based rangefinder than the Bessas have. Also the frame lever on the front implies auto-indexing of framelines - whereas previous Cosinas have used a manual lever on the top. Think this RF and viewfinder will turn up in a new "Voigtlander" body? Given how close the viewfinder is to the corner - must be bottom-rewind a la Leica M5/CL (?) This could be a "real" product with some legs to it - or a run-of-2000 commemorative. If it's really M-mount - do we get to spend 18 months arguing over whether the back-focus is precisely the same as an M? 8^) Guess we'll know for sure in 10 days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeroen dommisse Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 The people at Zeiss are having the time of their lives right now :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grg Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Doesn't this look like a bezel of a film counter? Or, maybe not.<p> Maybe, it's a power button if the camera is instead digital.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_kieltyka Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 At first I thought this camera had to be digital. It seemed like exactly the sort of thing Zeiss, with their Sony connections, would go for. But I'm more & more convinced it's a film camera, almost surely a Zeiss-branded version of the upcoming Bessa R3A. As such I find it interesting but hardly compelling. I own enough 35mm RFs already. But the lenses are another matter. I'm plenty happy at the prospect of Zeiss making M mount versions of the terrific G lenses! The camera itself becomes an afterthought. -Dave- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_ryan2 Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 That's funny that you bring up the Sony connection. If it is digital I wonder if it could use the new Sony CMOS 12mp chip from the Nikon d2x? That way it is way above the Epson RD1 in price/performance and CV gets the film version. If I remember right, Stephen Gandy says there are two cameras coming out, maybe a low end R2 replacement and the film version of the Zeiss digital as a high end model. Pure speculation. You should see what I put on LittleGreenFootballs.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_ho Posted September 18, 2004 Share Posted September 18, 2004 I buy the G1 (Contax, of course) because of the lens. I sold the system because of the body (to be specific, the viewfinder + the noise). For years, I guess how many G-lens will sell in the M-mount. I will be one of the guys to buy all of them from 21 to 90, with the $ less than a couple of leica lens. I will keep my M6, but sell the 50 cron. By the way, considered the layout of the camera, the Ikon will be film rather than digital (I do hope that I am wrong). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aizan_sasayama Posted September 18, 2004 Share Posted September 18, 2004 Yay to Zeiss for moving film winding to the bottom! If it's a film camera, I mean. Now, what's going on with the R3's film winding corner.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul t Posted September 18, 2004 Share Posted September 18, 2004 If it's made by Bessa, how come the 3A, shown on the other thread, looks so different? Would be very expensive for Cosina to produce an entirely different model, rather than re-badge an existing one. <p> I think this will be more of a challenge for Leica, if it's seen as a more specifically-Zeiss product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
split_image Posted September 18, 2004 Share Posted September 18, 2004 Some magazines, published in the last few days in Japan, are already carrying photos and reviews of Bessa R2A/R3A even before official annoucement. From what I can see, its finder arrangement is similar to R-D1 and not quite like this one. A going theory is that this Zeiss Ikon was more likely based on Hexar RF for M mount lenses. I believe the finder has been newly developed to accomodate Zeiss' 1:2 picture size format. My far-fetched speculation is that KonicaMinolta, having streamlined their film camera production lines in recent years, asked Cosina to collaborate in the area of manufacturing, all under Carl Zeiss' direction. The 28mm lens looks more like the Rollei 35RF lenses with M mounts, not G series lenses, to me. Or, has Cosina solely struck a deal with Carl Zeiss to make Zeiss Ikon branded cameras from here on? Rumors are abundant in Tokyo as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piero_piero Posted September 18, 2004 Share Posted September 18, 2004 an URL from the ContaxG mailing list to the new R3A http://www.nippon-camera.com/zassi/z0410/toku5.jpg piero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald_moravec1 Posted September 18, 2004 Share Posted September 18, 2004 Look at the rangefinder base. This is a rangefinder model for film. I bet it takes remounted G 2 glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtyr Posted September 18, 2004 Share Posted September 18, 2004 <p> I was sick in bed today, so I put the puzzle together. What a total waste of time!</p> <p><img src="http://sover.net/%7Ejtyr/zi.jpg" width="700" height="417"></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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