bill_goldman Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 According to a Japanese photo magazine, Canon will introduce two more DSLRs at Photokina; the 7D with 8 megapixels and 1.3 crop factor and the long rumored 1Ds MkII. It looks like the 7D may be just what many have asked for in calling for a 3D, based on the EOS-3. Now if there were only word of some new lenses (not EF-S, please). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_simon3 Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Lack of the EOS-3 has kept me out of the digital market. Now what will I tell my wife? I'm thinking of something about these old eyes needing the bright viewfinder of 1.3 crop and whatever not having a built in flash gains in brightness. Boys and toys will be the response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harman_bajwa Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Too bad no news about an ECF in the digital yet. If it is above the 20D the price must be that of between 1DMkII and 20D. BTW, just curious, what source was this info obtained from ? - Harman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_larson1 Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 ah. . .the glorious rumor mill! Maybe there will be new 17-40/4L (see other thread) or the mythical 24-70/4L. Of course, if something like the 7D is released in a few weeks (at anything under $3K). . .I will eat my hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david enzel Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Bill -- Thanks for this post. The 7D to me would be very exciting. It's the camera I've been waiting for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_goldman Posted September 6, 2004 Author Share Posted September 6, 2004 Here's the source of the info on the new DSLRs: http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=91085 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crowe Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Until Canon starts selling full frame DSLRs at reasonable prices you will be seeing lots of EF-S lenses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg M Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 A camera like a 7D, if it is introduces, is exactly what will keep me in my 10D for a couple of years and NOT investing in any new EF-s lenses for my Digital Rebel- I've already bought two DSLR's this year and thats enough. I plan at some point to have a 1.3 sensor camera. Even if it doesn't happen now, I think that's what Canon will eventually do. It makes perfect sense. Sell everyone a 20D with new, expensive EF-s lenses, then make 1.3 crop cameras more affordable. Anyone using a 20D will either have to hold on to the EF lenses they have now or re-buy them later if they decide they want a 1.3 crop body because EFs lenses don't cover the field of view. It's almost like the Pied Piper leading the masses to the river, and Canon definitely has everyone jumping in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuppyDigs Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 The name EOS 7D has a much better ring to it than EOS 3D (3D is very dorky sounding). Doesn't Minolta have a DSLR in the works called the 7D? Sometimes the light’s all shining on me. Other times I can barely see. - Robert Hunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_hobday Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Decided to forego food at lunch today and go and look for this mystery magazine... Hey, cameras are more important than food, right? ;)<br> <br> Anyway... Sorry to report, but this information is rather old and is from the same article that was talking about the 20D as the 7D before the 20 was announced.<br> <br> It also discusses the 1DsM2 and the other cameras (including the Nikon D200) mentioned in the original post.<br> <br> I am very much hoping for a "3D" or whatever Canon will call it, but this article is <b>not</b> confirmation of such a camera.<br> <br> Ian<br> --<br> Ian Hobday<br> Osaka, Japan<br> <a href="http://hobday.net/photos" target="_blank">http://hobday.net/photos</a> (Opens in a new window.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erin.e Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 I feel that the 20D, and its future derivatives are the nearest thing to an EOS 3 that you will get, Why would Canon introduce yet another semi pro body when there is nothing in the competitions lineup to force them to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_hobday Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 <i>Why would Canon introduce yet another semi pro body when there is nothing in the competitions lineup to force them to?</i><br> <br> Because there is space in the market between the 20D and the 1DM2.<br> <br> There are a lot of D60 and 10D owners who feel that the 20D is not a big enough upgrade but that the 1DM2 is too expensive. Quite a few of these would try to stretch budgets to get a "3D" though.<br> <br> Digital is also a huge shift in photography. Big enough that some people are selling their film bodies & lenses and buying all new again. For people such as this, the "3D" could be quite a draw -- no one else has such a camera, so there is no where except Canon to go to.<br> <br> Yes, Canon would probably lose some 1DM2 sales if they bring out a "3D". But they would also gain quite a few "up-sells" from the 20D as well...<br> <br> Just my thoughts... Personally I have a D60 and would buy a "3D" with a 1.3x 8mp sensor + spot metering.<br> <br> Ian<br> --<br> Ian Hobday<br> Osaka, Japan<br> <a href="http://hobday.net/photos" target="_blank">http://hobday.net/photos</a> (Opens in a new window.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yakim_peled1 Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 D30 and D60 had 3 AF sensors. 10D and 300D has 7. 20D has 9. 7D will have 45? Canon's new naming convention confuses me. Happy shooting , Yakim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_hobday Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 <i>D30 and D60 had 3 AF sensors. 10D and 300D has 7. 20D has 9. 7D will have 45? Canon's new naming convention confuses me.</i><br> <br> The "7D" is the 20D... The original post was based on an old magazine article that had the wrong name for the 20D.<br> <br> If Canon does bring out a "3D" I wonder what they would call it? 3D sounds weird. 33D sounds like a woman's undergarmet size. 300 is already used for the European market. Maybe they'll put it into the EOS 1 group? Or maybe a 5D? Or maybe they'll just do "EOS 3 Digital"? With the "Kiss Digital" and "Digital Rebel" I think that "EOS 3 Digital" is quite possible. Anyone else have thoughts?<br> <br> Ian<br> --<br> Ian Hobday<br> Osaka, Japan<br> <a href="http://hobday.net/photos" target="_blank">http://hobday.net/photos</a> (Opens in a new window.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panos_voudouris Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 "D30 and D60 had 3 AF sensors. 10D and 300D has 7. 20D has 9. 7D will have 45? Canon's new naming convention confuses me. " The number of AF sensors has nothing to do with the name of the camera. If we look at the naming of Canon film cameras in Europe we have 3000 < 300 < 30 < 3 < 1. 3 and 4 digits for the low end, 2 digits for the "serious amateur" market, single number >1 for semi-pro models (i.e. EOS 3 or 5) and 1 for the top of the range model. This also demonstrates that there is a gap in the equivalent digital cameras as there is no single digit non-1 model. If that gap should actually be filled is another issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r._j. Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 I don't want to speculate on what Canon may or may not announce at PhotoKina. I'm not that anxious - I can wait. I do have one point on the "EOS-3 goes digital" issue: Unless you specifically want an ECF camera, why will Canon necessarily make a new camera based on an old camera or old format? It isn't very 'forward-thinking thinking', if you will. Correct me if I am wrong, but digital cameras do not even need to retain the traditional look of 35mm SLRs. The new Olympus E-1 camera is a good example. It doesn't really bear any resemblance to a traditional SLR film body. It certainly looks nothing like their veteran line up of (box-shaped) OM-SLRs. Will we begin to see more and more digital cameras, irrespective of manufacturer, that move away from the usual camera shape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_austin Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 With all due respect to the Olympus E1 owners and supporters with their incessant postings (sounds a lot like Mac owners, still trying to justify the price premiums they paid over/above WinPCs), the reasons why a 35mm film SLR is shaped the way it is has much more to do with ergonomics and the utility of attaching a lens, providing a viewfinder and controls, etc., than it does with some arcane idea about how to wrap a hunk of metal and plastic around a roll of film. Just looking at the evolution of film SLR bodies over the last 20-30 years makes this point quite convincingly. As long as the economies of scale exist that make common lenses between film and digital SLRs attractive, we'll continue to follow the physical model of the current SLR shape, however that may happen to evolve. We've seen TONS of (non-SLR) digital cameras "move away from the usual camera shape," thank you very much. Some of them are even embedded in cell phones! If your primary driver in choosing a digital camera is innovation in "industrial design," by all means, go forth and be well. Or maybe, just slap some racing stripes or a new paint job on your current body, and be done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_hobday Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 <i>Unless you specifically want an ECF camera, why will Canon necessarily make a new camera based on an old camera or old format?</i><br> <br> Actually ECF is not at all important for me. I found it annoying and gimiky in my EOS 3, although I know many loved it.<br> <br> I think the reason people have named the camera the "3D" is because what a lot of people want in digital is what Canon did with the EOS 3 in film -- a camera between the basic EOS 7 and the high-end 1 series.<br> <br> What I would like to see in an "EOS 3 Digital" is faster focusing, AF to F8, better metering <b>with</b> a spot meter, EOS 3 sized body, 1.3x 8mp sensor... Basically a camera to sit between the 20D and the 1DM2. I'd pay $3000 for it.<br> <br> Looking forward to Photokina! If the "EOS 3 Digital" doesn't appear I think I will hold onto my D60 until the 1DM3 comes out. :)<br> <br> Ian<br> --<br> Ian Hobday<br> Osaka, Japan<br> <a href="http://hobday.net/photos" target="_blank">http://hobday.net/photos</a> (Opens in a new window.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim_adams Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 7D, 3D, it ain't gonna happen. Despite the large price difference between the 20D, and the 1DmkII, they are very close feature wise. Canon bringing out a 7D, 3D, or whatever the heck you want to call it with 45 pt. AF, and spot metering will just canabolize(sp?) 1DmkII sales. It ain't gonna happen people. I would bet the farm on this one. Never, ever gonna happen. Don't belive the hysteria over at dpreview. I swear if somebody posted the world was flat according to Canon reps, 95% of those knuckleheads would believe it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_woods3 Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 "Despite the large price difference between the 20D, and the 1DmkII, they are very close feature wise."<p> Really? Because when I look at their features side-by-side, I note many huge differences, in the most often looked at areas (sensor, autofocus, ISO, whitebalance, continous drive buffer, focal length multiplier). Call me crazy, but Id say they are two very <b>different</b> cameras! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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