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I was wondering what is the cheapest or most popular outfit of Lecia

that I would be able to equip myself with. I am planning a trip

around Europe and truely love the idea of one film, one camera, one

lens. So I figured if I want to do that I should choose a renound

camera. With that in mind, what is a easy to get Lecia (on eBay or

elsewhere) and whats the most universal lens. I like something wide.

Thank you in advance for taking the time to read this.

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You're gonna get a jillion responses on this.

 

If I had one camera/film/lens it would be an M4-P, 35/2Asph, and HP5+.

 

But thats for MY way of doing things. For your way.... you have to decide on what lens you want first (keeping in mind the speed of the film you like to use), then a camera and film.

 

You mentioned cheapest... If I could find a used Bessa-R2, and used 35/1.7 Ultron and still take HP5+, I'd be nearly equally satisfied. The 35 Ultron (Cosina/Voigtlander) is the equal of older 8 element 35 Summicron. I once hated mine, and now that its fixed... its an everyday lens. Very creamy out of focus areas when shot with wider apertures. The R2 is "ok" but better than the R model Bessa in that it has metal outer covering. Don't expect the finish to last on it - they're notorious for wearing quickly.

 

The M4-P has no meter of course, and the R2 has. I dont miss or mind not having a meter on anything but 'chromes. If you're shooting slides, then maybe opt the Bessa.

 

All that said.... you need to look and look and try before you buy. Your question is of such a general nature, you can only expect answers that suit what others are doing, and have to make your own choices based on that, AND, on looking, trying...seeing what works for you.

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If you want a very nice and eminently useable travel kit, a Leica CL with a Summicron-

C 40/2 (usually about $700 or so in EXC++ condition) along with a Voigtländer 21/4

($340 new) and Voigtländer 75/2.5 ($300 new) is hard to beat. Replace the CL body

with an M6 body and you'll add about $700 to the price of the kit.

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Don Chatterton <a href="http://donchatterton.com">http://donchatterton.com</a>

has always been reliable as a source for good, used Leica RF bodies and lenses. So has

Tamarkin NY <a href="http://www.tamarkin.com/">http://www.tamarkin.com/</a>.

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Godfrey

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<i>So I figured if I want to do that I should choose a renound camera.</i><p>

 

(I assume you meant "renowned.") <p>

 

This is a frighteningly bad criterion for choosing a camera. If this is all that matters, then it doesn't matter and you should take something cheap and light. This is especially true because you appear to use SLRs and using a rangefinder is completely different. Many people don't find rangefinders comfortable for their shooting and end up selling them. Picking it for a new trip doesn't make much sense.<p>

 

You'd be better off taking your D60 and a 35mm lens and saving a lot of money and possible disappointment.

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1)Of the above two merchants they are both horrendously overpriced and the former's grading is one of the most liberal in the biz. His idea of mint- stretches to include dents in focusing rings and deep scratches in the black finish.

 

2)The CL is the last camera on earth I'd take as my only camera. It is notoriously unreliable both meter and shutter, any Leica service technician will vouch for that fact.

 

3)<< I am planning a trip around Europe and truely love the idea of one film, one camera, one lens.>>

 

Then forget Leica. One camera is fine if it's a Canon EOS 1V (eg)because you can always pick up a cheap Rebel anywhere in the civilized world in case yours acts up. With a Leica you'll hunt for a dealer and then pay dearly. They are not generally that unreliable but go on a trip with just one body and Murphy's law is bound to get you. If you want just one lens, why pay for the premium of an interchangeable-lens camera? Pick up a nice mint Contax T2 that'll fit in your pocket.

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Actually Jeff and Jay give good advice. A Konica Hexar AF is also a possible choice, for about $500 with fixed lens 35mm lens of quality. In any case, you need to take the time getting used to a camera before taking it on a trip.
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"Many people don't find rangefinders comfortable for their shooting and end up selling them."

 

What a sensible comment.

 

I bought my 75mm Summilux second hand from an old gentleman who had been a keen photographer all his life, when he retired he treated himself to the Leica outfit that he'd always wanted. It was a disaster.

 

He'd previously used a twin lens reflex, mainly for formal portraits and a Leica offered him no advantage but lots of problems. His experiment cost him money he couldn't afford and dented his confidence. For many photographers a traditional rangefinder is like buying a motorbike when what they really need is a car.

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Jeff and Jay are right. If you haven't used a rangefinder extensively, a trip like this is no time to figure it out. If you've got time before you go, you would be well served by getting used to rangefinders first so you are comfortable with them on the trip. Also if you are going to take one camera and one lens, the option of a fixed lens camera is attractive. The Hexar AF would be a great choice if you don't mind some automation. A Canonet QL GIII 17 would also be a good option. They are old and not totally reliable, but even if you buy two and get them both CLA'd it would be cheaper than most Leica outfits. The nicer point and shoots (Contax T series, Ricoh GR1s, ...) would also make good candidates. The Ricoh with a 28/2.8 lens plus a 40 or 50mm lens on a fixed rangefinder would be a great small kit that would be relatively inexpensive and give you very nice flexibility. But that would be two lenses. Just some thoughts.

 

Del

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Jay, jay jay... Is there nothing in the Leica marketplace that you won't complain about?

You truly deserve that "Leica Curmudgeon" classification.

 

I traveled back and forth to europe at least 8 times with the excellent CL + 40 I

bought from Tamarkin. I wasn't so fond of its loading, but the camera operated

faultlessly for the entire time I owned it, that was about 100 rolls of film. And both

DonC and Tamarkin did very well on pricing and quality.

 

The poster did ask about Leica outfits, which is what I restricted my answer to.

 

Today, I wouldn't bother with a film camera at all ... A Canon 10D + 28/1.8 and 50/

1.4, with a couple of batteries and 3 1G CF cards, will handle about 95% of anything I

need. Add a 70-200 zoom or 300mm lens for when I need telephoto reach. And a

Sony U60 stuffed in my pocket for when I don't want to carry the Canon around.

 

Godfrey

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Take a look at the Hexar AF, and add perhaps a ND filter in case you plan on using a film faster than ISO 100.

There is a review at photo.net.

It comes with an excellent and reasonable fast 35/2 lens. Handling is easy with auto-everything or you can use manual control as you like.

 

Compared to a Leica, you will miss the excellent manual focusing, ability to change lens, traditional camera control interface and the extra high price.

 

Compared to a point and shoot (and even the Ricoh GR*), the Hexar is a real camera with a decent sized viewfinder and a lens with normal filter thread.

 

Drawbacks are some small buttons, top 1/250 speed and fixed lens.

It also have autofocus (+ somewhat awkward manual focusing possibilites compared to a Leica), whether that is good or bad is for you to decide.

 

Buy it on Ebay in case you cannot locate one elsewhere. You can always post a WTB in this forum.

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Get an M6 with a 35/2 Summicron and lots of film.

 

Try

 

www.ritzcam.com

(many of their M cameras have been cleaned by DAG)

 

www.KEH.com

 

www.photovillage.com

 

For once I agree with Jay. Tamarkin's rating are very liberal.

 

Feli

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If your idea of "one camera, one lens, etc..." also encompasses the idea of almost point and shoot simplicity, then either the Hexar AF or the Contax G1 may be for you. You get point and shoot simplicity with a camera that provides Leica class optics in a small package. The Contax G1 is more flexible, with it's higher shutter speed, stunning 45/2 planar and potential for changing lenses. But the Hexar is quieter, might have a better viewfinder and is far less flashy.

 

Choosing a camera solely because it is renowned seems like you are trying to impress someone with your camera choice. Wouldn't you rather impress people with your photographs?

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Forget the digital and Cannon bs.

 

Get an M6 classic usually $1200 in good order

and a

35 mm or 50mm Summicron $500-$700. A Tri-Elmar would be

cool if your not overly concerned with the miniscule differnces

between it and the fixed lenses. But plan on spending a bit more,

like over $1500.

 

Not the cheapest by any means but I'd wager on it's reliability. I

can't imagine being bummed out that I only brought this combo

because that's what I take EVERYWHERE!!

 

I would completely rule out any digital except for snap shots and

here's why. When I travel I can easily shoot 2-4 rolls of film a

day. A 2 weeker vacation could yeild 50 36 exposure rolls or

1800 high quality negatives. That would be 50 to 100 CF cards at

$50 each ( depends on size of course) plus a computer if I want

to edit in which case I could take less. But still film gives me the

option of shooting like crazy for pennies a shot and making them

all quality 11x14 prints and even scanning if that's my preference.

 

If you have a Leica that works you can safely assume it will

continue to perform the same for some time. meter may fail but

the rest is mechanical and built like a tank.

 

The best still shoot film, Salgado, Gibson etc...

 

I shoot Tri-X.

 

W

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I'm with all of the above posts that advise not taking a rangefinder on the trip. Take something you know will give you reliable results.

 

When you come back, get yourself a cheap rangfinder like a Canonet QL17 or something and see if you like using it - because you may not. If you come from an SLR background, it takes quite a while to get used to the rangefinder way of thinking - you will find that you have to persevere with it until you are comfortable.

 

BTW, the Canonet is a "renowned" camera, so you are all set there...

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<i>That would be 50 to 100 CF cards at $50 each ( depends on size of course) plus a computer if I want to edit </i><p>

 

Only a loony toon would do this. This is why there are image bank type products, plus in Europe it's easy to find internet cafes where you can burn CDs from your cards. And bringing a computer to edit might be a good idea, but it's certainly no more necessary than bringing a darkroom with you.

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"That would be 50 to 100 CF cards at $50 each ( depends on

size of course) plus a computer if I want to edit

 

Only a loony toon would do this. This is why there are image

bank type products, plus in Europe it's easy to find internet cafes

where you can burn CDs from your cards. And bringing a

computer to edit might be a good idea, but it's certainly no more

necessary than bringing a darkroom with you."

 

So you suggest bringing say 2-3 gigs worth of cards and finding

cafes to burn off of those. Might be an option but once again I'll

have a small bag of film with higher quality and more versital

media. Your digital outfit will weigh you down more than an M6

and I'll get better negs hands down. I've accidently dumped

cards or had other digital failures. I've had cards go bad and

camera develope glitches, hot pixels etc...Also the beauty of

digital is a more immeadiate enjoyment of images. I wouldn't

travel without some way to play with the images each evening so

figure $2000 for a Powerbook to the budget.

 

I must say witth all due respect I don't undersatnd the opinons

of an slr being more reliable. I've always found the opposite to be

true especially when figuring in all the bells and whistles. Most

rely heavily on batteries and are useless if you drop or get wet.

Maybe an F3 but to suggest anything has the proven track record

of a Leica M series camera is folly.

 

Ask Salgado,

 

BTW Leica forum folks. I imagine the guy want's Leica advice not

what's your favorite camera.

 

W

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Well, everyone's going to tell you what THEY'D take so I won't be any different. Either my Leica M3 with the 50mm Summicron and the 90mm Elmar stuffed in a pocket OR my Canon Eos 5 with a 28~105 zoom. Either one will take superb pictures and the choice is between something very simple and unassuming (the Leica) or something altogether more flexible but with a damned sight more 'presence' (the Canon). A beaten up Leica lika mine (sorry, couldn't resist) is about the cheapest you can get. Budget £700 in the UK for body and 50mm, another £150 for the 90mm.

 

I did once go on holiday with a single camera and lens. I took a Hasselblad with an 80mm lens with me to Austria and got superb shots (well I thought so <grin>) because I had absolutely no choices to make. See subject, look through viewfinder, move forwards or back, release shutter. Come to think of it, I'll promote a Hassie 500c/m as another option for you to think about.....<div>007EwE-16416684.JPG.99e4cd1b886da451c629f76936cfa135.JPG</div>

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"This is why there are image bank type products, plus in Europe it's easy to find internet cafes where you can burn CDs from your cards."

 

Where? Please tell me where? I live in "Europe", so this information could become very useful to me.

 

My personal take on this, from my existing equipment I'd take a FM3a with 50/1.4 and if buying on a "money no object" basis, I guess it would be an M6 Classic or MP with 35/2 or 35/1.4.

 

Of course in reality, I would not consider bringing less than two lenses on any kind of extended trip, at least not until I get some good medium format equipment.

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You say you want a Leica and you 'like something wide'. Then it must be an M6 with a 35/2 Summicron, full stop, end of story.

 

M6 because I think you will want a built in meter. 35mm because you want one lens that is good for most situations and errs on the wide side. Summicron because it's compact, whether you get the latest ASPH or an earlier version.

 

That's it. Dead simple.

 

Be careful with eBay. If you're not an experienced eBayer, take a lot of advice and/or care. A good local dealer is a lot safer. Tell us where you live and someone round here will point you in the right direction.

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