kevin m. Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Jay, who cares about the opinion of someone who's nursing a grudge? How many people could that be, really, even in your case? There are a handful of photographers on this forum who have achieved a sufficient degree of technical mastery to post consistently good-looking digitized images, and I'm not one of them. But I post occasionally anyway, just to participate. Because that's the whole point of a forum. Sitting on the sidelines and doing nothing but commenting on the work of others seems more the domain of the weblog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_kaplan1 Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Could photo.net make Harvey Platter's photo made into a "smilie" that would be site-specific to the Leica Forum? We'd sure give it a lot of use! Was that a Leica photo, Harvey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Ps...Josh, i'll be reading your posts, just to make you don't mention that word. Why are Photographers (artists whatever..) , so serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin m. Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 "I've NEVER seen Jay attack anyone, or their work" Most of the time, no, but if you're perched on your sacred cow Jay will use a howitzer to kill the damned thing and not care where the shrapnel goes. So technically, you're correct: Letter met; spirit pulverized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshroot Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 <i>"just to make you don't mention that word"</i> <P> Whatever that means, you go ahead and do it. Good luck in your quest my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay_. Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 <<I agree - however the opinions offered mean more if the critic's relevant background, training and skill level are known, and one way to evaluate the critic's background is through his own photos.>> Not if the opinions are unrelated to the esthetics of photography, such as if the opinions are statements of fact regarding the mechanical workings, failures, features or shortcomings of gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay_. Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 The plain fact is that any time someone on this forum has brought up the subject of me not posting my photos to the forum it has always been intended as a rebuttal to something I've said that--as Kevin so eloquently put it--killed someone's sacred cow. The clear intent is that, being no other way to prove me wrong, if I were to post an image that person could point at it and say "look, the guy's a crappy photographer, so if he says he had 10 R bodies that were all pieces of sh*t (or whatever) he must be lying." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_lee2 Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 I for one would be interested in seeing some of your better work, Tim, and find it curious that you would share it in the 'real world' but not here. For all its shortcomings online is still a pretty good way of broadening your viewing audience, and yes while it does fail to inspire confidence sometimes, not everyone is a putz or armchair critic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans_beckert Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Andrew: The work 'over there' is for people 'over there' to retaliate against if they do not like my critiques. It gives them an outlet. If I wish for people 'here' to see anything, is it not MY decision whether and HOW to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Trevor Hare /member-status-icons /member-status-icons, jan 12, 2004; 09:59 a.m. These were inspired by one of my Photo.net 'favourites', Keith laban. See, Josh. Trevor was inspired to take some really good photos. Keith posts on our W/NW,s threads. Now that�s more interesting than talking about how big your zoom is, and a lot more to do with real photography. Regards. Sorry about the nag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans_beckert Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Eric: What passes for 'passable' these days is laughable. 'Mike in available light' was hopelessly amateurish and showed little competence at all. The gushing of the author was unbelievable. I did better work at the age of 10, with a Brownie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom h. Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Tippity-type all day Hans, it still doesn't excuse rudeness. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug herr Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Jay, what sacred cows you think you've killed? As I see it your pontifications, casting of pearls to the photo.net swine, and insults cast directly or indirectly at photo.net forum members have killed nothing but your credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godfrey Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 <center> <img src="http://www.bayarea.net/~ramarren/photostuff/PAW4/large/02.jpg"><br> <i>On Standing - Sony DSC-U60</i><br> </center><br> I like to take pictures and show them. Sometimes people have their own agenda and flame on them. Other times, they offer constructive criticism and the discussion that ensues is very helpful. <br><br> I take this work seriously so it is natural to be serious about it when discussing things, and sometimes it's hard to put a favorite photo to rest when it is attacked by the flamers. But, in the end, I do photography for myself and offer it for the pleasure of those who might appreciate it. <br><br> Godfrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans_beckert Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Godfrey: Good for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatrice_flowers Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 ---<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Cool photo, Bee. Sort of sums this thread up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans_beckert Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Tom: 'I think I may have found my style'......'Good stuff!'..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_somerset1 Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Hans, whatever you like. I'll humour you, just as I humour my three-year-old daughter, and not smile at you without permission. <p> You'll have to excuse the giggling behind my hand, though. I just can't help it.<p> See, when you post something in a public forum, you kind of give up control of who can look at it. And when you make remarks like, "I could do better at the age of 10, with a Brownie" or claim that your shutter timing is always perfect, etc., then you can't really be surprised when people are curious whether your photos are any good. And then when you whisk them off a site to prevent people from seeing them, well, it doesn't really promote your credibility as the dispenser of dogmatic one-line comments on these forums.<p> I do agree with you, though. Many photographers <i>are</i> insufferable egotists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay_. Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 <<Jay, what sacred cows you think you've killed? As I see it your pontifications, casting of pearls to the photo.net swine, and insults cast directly or indirectly at photo.net forum members have killed nothing but your credibility.>> Amazing that someone with so much talent for getting close to wild animals has so little of it with respect to humans. Or maybe not so amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans_beckert Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Andrew: The ones I wish to show are good. The ones that are bad go where they belong: in the dustbin. Unfortunately, I am not satified with the quality of the scans I obtained of some of my favorite slides, which have been posted at other places. I do not maintain a portfolio, unlike the egotistical ones who show their every snapshot and expect lavish praise for their time exposures of water running over rocks. I do not care whether anyone thinks my photos are any good. I am not obligated to satisfy anyone's curiosity about my work. I do not have to prove anything to anyone. I have 40 years of experience (amateur, semi-professional, and professional) in a variety of photographic specialties, some of which I excelled in and some of which I certainly did not. It does not matter to me in the least whether I have credibilty or not on the internet. I do here, where I live, among those who have known me for decades and know my work and areas of expertise. I really do not care to get back into photography in any professional capacity except teaching, which I do on a casual basis, and writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_a Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 When will photo.neters learn? Just ignore Hans, he rarely has anything useful to add to a conversation and his only purpose here is seems to be self-aggrandizement. How terribly drool.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuck Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Who says there aren't any women on this forum? BEE FLOWERS! I have something for you. Please send me an email to let me know that my address isn't being blocked. Thank you. Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_lo_..._t_o Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 There's a wonderful Spanish expression: "Estoy mas nervioso que una cucaracha en un baile de gallinas" {I'm more nervous than a cockroach at a hen's dance} which I'm reminded of here not because I'm nervous, but I feel like I just entered a henhouse full of pecking and squawking creatures. But if I were a tasty little cockroach, I would be nervous. Too many double espressos today, boys n' girls?<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_a Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 that should be droll, not drool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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