james_fleming2 Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Hi, I've seen 'zone focusing' mentioned here a few times. Could someone please explain what it is, exactly/ I'm guessing you select a depth of field of x feet using the distance gauge and aperture. Are there any tricks to it, or is it as simple as that/ cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h._p. Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 It really is as simple as that, James. I use it all the time with a 35mm lens on an old Leica. I set the aperture to f8, place the infinity index against the '8' on the distant side of the depth of field mark and vary the exposure using the shutter speed as required. Given a sufficiently steady hand, everything from 2 metres to infinity is acceptably sharp. I use the same technique with a 50mm some of the time but for any longer lens than that, the process becomes progressively less rewarding. Note the 'acceptably' though. The lenses we use for general photography only have a single plane of sharpness, so, in using depth of field, we're trading off convenience against some small loss of overall sharpness. The main subject may or may not be perfectly in focus but we're balancing that with an image that meets our needs in terms of apparent sharpness and speed of use.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCL Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Yes, it's that simple, and I've been using it when appropriate for over 40 years. However, it may not produce the intended results, especially if you are used to using wide open apertures to create photos which really highlight the subject and relegate everything else into the foreground or background. Also, often, your lens has a sweet spot, aperture-wise, at which the lens shows off its best performance. Unless you're using that sweet spot, you should expect some degree of fall-off. Those are the tradeoffs I've most noticed over the years. BTW, the old Brownie cameras, which millions of people used to generate several generations of snapshots relied on zone focus, as they did not provide a means to focus the lens...a true point 'n shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael s. Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Some possibly helpful pictures, illustrating lens markings, etc., are <a href=http://www.dofmaster.com/hyperfocal.html>found on this page</a>, if you scroll down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orvillerobertson Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Zone focusing is a little more iffy for me since I often work from a zone from 1 foot to 6 feet. The depth of field is much less proportionally. My zone focusing, because I often shoot very fast, is often prayer; as in please let that one be in focus. My priority is in getting the timing right than in technical details. I lose a few great shots this way but get most of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted_fisher Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Don't forget the other use for this: it can be a very effective way to catch ultra-fast moving subjects or others that would be difficult to capture with autofocus or manual focus. For example, let's say I knew a subject was going to bolt through a door in a few moments. Instead of switching to autofocus and hoping my system is fast enough, or my manual focus chops are up to the task, I would note about where the subject would be, manually focus on that and then let my additional depth-of-focus give me margin for error. The door opens, I start firing away, and the subject should be in focus throughout my pre-planned shooting zone.... Of course, using a wide angle lens in bright daylight also and setting up for zone focus often gives us a sort of "infinite" focus -- we can walk the streets knowing everything from a meter out to infinity should be acceptably sharp and then can concentrate on framing, concentration and timing rather than focus.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_fleming2 Posted September 2, 2007 Author Share Posted September 2, 2007 Thanks everyone, my question has been well and truly answered-and some. I've just got to pop my new 24mm on and go downtown for some practice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark liddell Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 I shoot in very busy streets where everything happens so fast there is hardly time to react and frame let alone focus. I set the focus to 8ft which at f/8 gets me everything between 6.5ft to 10ft in focus with my 50mm. I don't understand why people set the lens to hyperfocal - it's just wasting dof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickperzik Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 "I don't understand why people set the lens to hyperfocal - it's just wasting dof." it's only a waste if you don't want the background sharp. with even a moderate wide angle lens like a 35 you get a lot at f/11 - 5.5ft to infinity. at f/16 it's even more - about 3.5 feet to infinity. and with a wider lens it's even further. i use hyperfocal when it's the entire scene that i want. if i just want one piece of it or if things are not happenning so quickly, i just focus on what i want. for me, presetting my focus and exposure is all about being able to turn that part of my brain off so that i can just react. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john falkenstine Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Why not buy Ansel Adams's book on the Zone System? Its cheap, fun to read and can be easily found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardvanle Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 The zone system and zone focusing are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john falkenstine Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 That is definitely true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john falkenstine Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Here you go: Its NOT digital, ISBN 0-8212-0716-4 (It doesn't matter). Good reading, very high quality enameled paper. Even smells very good like an expensive book. http://www.bookfinder.com/dir/i/Camera_and_Lens-The_Creative_Approach_Studio,_Laboratory,_and_Operation/0821207164/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergen_fassbender1 Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 James, Visit <a href="www.trenholm.org/hmmerk">this website by Harold M. Merklinger</a> and click on the 'about the ins and outs of focus' link. This will provide you with all the information you are looking for (and more). regards, Juergen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergen_fassbender1 Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 Sorry, link doesn't work, its www.trenholm.org/hmmerk and click on the 'about the ins and outs of focus' link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_fleming2 Posted October 7, 2007 Author Share Posted October 7, 2007 thanks guys, actually just discovered DOF preview function on my camera...it's certainly helped me understand apertures. Zone system I'm familiar with, but really need to revisit it, thanks. My goal is to think more and shoot less. Exposure is definitely something I can improve on, especially as I'd like to try a little velvia, which is not cheap in New Zealand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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