mharris Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 I have a 16.5, f4.5 Zeiss Jena Tessar lens that had a small amount of edge separation. I read a few articles about separating the elements and re-gluing them. It was actually very easy to do, I set my oven to 350 and put the lens in it. About 15min after it reached 350 I used a pair of tongs and was able to just life one of the elements off the other. After a little cleaning in acetone they came out looking perfect. Using type 61 UV glue and a v-block holder I made I was able to center the elements and glue them together. It only takes a small drop in the center of the concave surface, capillary action causes the glue to migrate to the edges. Short time in the sun and it was set. My question comes from putting the element back into it's brass ring. The edge of the element looses it's black coating and the brass that holds it in was also painted black. How important is it to repaint the edge of the lens and the brass that holds it in? I'm also trying to date the lens, it's a Zeiss Jena Tessar 16.5mm f4.5. Serial number 623241. Thanks for any tips, Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friedemann_pistorius Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Since the black paint was used to avoid reflecting surfaces inside the lens you should repaint the edge of the lens as well as the brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_gratz Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 McKeown's camera guide has a table of Zeiss lens serial numbers by year of manufacture. According to this table your lens was manufactured between 1923 and 1924. Ron Gratz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gene_e._mccluney Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 I have used a felt-tipped Sanford Sharpie brand permanent black marker pen to reblacken the edges of lens elements. It may take several applications to get the edges really black, but the pen is very easy to control, and the ink should last and not flake off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_layton Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 hmmm.... I think a Sharpie marker may employ acetone or something similar as a carrier, and depending on what you've used to glue the elements back together, there may be a problem with this de-gluing the elements - so maybe be careful using this on the element edges. Testors makes a nice flat-black paint, available in hobby-shops in small bottles. I've used it in many of my earlier camera building projects, but not to blacken element edges. Maybe do a little more research into compatibility issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_gilday Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 For re-blacking lens element edges and the like, I use a cotton swab (Q-tip) and india ink. Hey, it works... The 16.5cm, f/4.5 Tessar is a nice lens, as you've probably discovered. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mharris Posted May 17, 2007 Author Share Posted May 17, 2007 Thanks everyone, it came out looking great. Edge separation is gone and it looks brand new. I used the type 61 UV optical cement from Edmunds optical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karel_van_den_fonteyne Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 The black paint on the lens is to seal the glue and to avoid reflections. The paint on the tubus is to avoid reflections. The paint was in the early days of lens production (1850 to 1900) a mixture of carbon black (pure carbon) and a animal- orrigine varnish (annimal skin can be used to produce glue and varnish). The German company Dick can still deliver the basic products. The varnish is still used in musical instruments. I probably will find the formula for the lens paint if I look hard in my archive. By the way, regular black paint will also do. Succes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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