Z9specs out?

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Rick Helmke, Jul 19, 2021.

  1. Well, usually development announcement leads to product annoncement in a few months though a few products took longer (70-200/2.8 VR and Canon 200-400/4). I think they only announce the development at a point when the product is almost completed. I remember when the Z6 and Z7 were launched, Nikon said they're half-way in the development of a mirrorless camera which matches or exceeds the D5 in AF. Thus the Z9 may have been six years in development.
  2. Indeed! My left hand feels like it's getting the lion's share of the load...:)
  3. ShunCheung

    ShunCheung Administrator

    At least for Nikon, they typically announce the development of a product 2, 3 months before the official introduction, e.g. the D4s, D5, D6, the 500mm PF, etc. I think the Sony A1 plus Covid forced Nikon's hand on the Z9. Originally Nikon had the D6 for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and that should at least buy them a couple of years, but for one thing the Olympics were delayed by a full year, and in January 2021, Sony announced the A1 that has 50MP and can do 8K video and 30 fps, with a $6500 price tag to match the D6, and clearly the A1 would be available at the Olympics. Around that time Nikon also had nothing at all to announce for 6, 7 months, from November 2020 (Z6ii, z7ii) to early June 2021 (the two Z macros), they had to generate some news. Hence the March 2021 development announcement for the Z9. Hopefully they can deliver soon.
  4. I suspect that many, many people have been waiting for this, almost (!) irrespective of price.

    I hope they make enough, quickly enough.......:)
  5. ShunCheung

    ShunCheung Administrator

    I have a recent write up on a related topic, based on my experience with a bunch of local amateur photographers. Sadly, Nikon is far enough behind in terms of mirrorless that some long-time Nikon user friends of mine have added either Sony or Canon mirrorless lenses to supplement.

    I live in the Silicon Valley area, and a pair of bald eagles have been nesting by a local elementary school in the last 5 years. News spread quickly and a bunch of photographers have been gathering by that school to photograph the eagles. That group has perhaps 30, 40 fairly regular photographers plus more who show up occasionally, many with big lenses. Of course not everybody shows up every day, and the crowd has been reduced in the last year or two due to Covid. Last year I did an unofficial count, and at least 10 photographers in the group had the Nikon 500mm PF, when that lens was in serious short supply.

    In the last 5 years, the rise of Sony was very obvious. Previously pretty much all serious bird photographers used either Canon or Nikon, but I started seeing more and more Sony, which clearly was mostly taking market shares from Canon (and some Nikon). Make no mistake about it, the Sony A9 and A9ii are fully capable of taking great birds in flight images. They also have appeared in sports events.

    Another change I notice is that most Canon users among that group have switched to the Canon R5 within a few months since its introduction a year ago. It is very easy to integrate old Canon EF lenses onto the R5 via a simple adapter, which is merely an extension tube with some electronics, but none of the bulky aperture motor in the FTZ.

    Among the Nikon users, not many use Z bodies. E.g. I use my Z6 there a lot but mainly to capture video. Pretty much all Nikon users there are sticking with DSLRs for now. A few have migrated to (or added) the Canon R5 and the Sony A1, both with great results. Again, we are talking about the Silicon Valley and there are enough people who can easily afford a new D6, A1, R5, etc., especially some of the older folks in their 70's.

    Recently I talked to a Canon user about the R3. She already has one R5 but needs one additional RF body. She thinks 24MP is not enough for wildlife photography, and I agree to some degree. The R3 is clearly designed mainly for sports rather than wildlife, which one frequently finds 500mm, 600mm is not sufficient. But since it is limited to 24MP, perhaps the R3 can be more affordable than the Sony A1. It'll also be interesting to see how Nikon prices the Z9.

  6. Nikon 'could' make an FTZ-E for E lenses, such as the aforementioned 500mm PF, 70-200mm 2.8 FL, 200-500mm 5.6. and all of the FL long, ie 400, 500 and 600mm teles... all of the PC-E lenses, the 24-70mm VR and of course the crazy (£££)180-400mm and the 120-300mm 2.8.

    ie nearly ALL recent/current generation Pro lenses!!

    What is their problem? It's so obvious and simple.
  7. Nikon sales started to decline rapidly before they launched the E lenses (with the exception of the PC-E series which came earlier), so there are not that many E lenses in use. That's why an E only adapter would not make much sense IMO.
  8. Okay, I'm a little confused here. My AF-S Nikkor 200-500 mm F/5.6 E works just fine with the FTZ. What am I missing?
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  9. You meant those antique ancient E lenses? If so, I think it would be unreasonable to hold Nikon's backward-compatibility promise that far. For the less primaeval, the only ones I am aware of that are not compatible with FTZ are the "D" lenses.
  10. No he meant the E Type lens with electronic diaphram. Those are the newest ones. doesn't need any mechanical from the camera body.
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  11. The context I quoted from was Shun saying Canon have a simple and small electronic only (ie non mechanical) adapter...

    ...and I said Nikon could do the same.....;)

    The FTZ, in it's current form, is massively complicated by having mechanics to move the aperture of non E type lenses, An E only version should be much cheaper (!), smaller and lighter. It also removes a potential mechanical weakpoint and a possible cause of aperture variation.

    Really? Although i guess the number of people with ONLY E lenses is small.

    No, as BeBu said, E Type lenses, not E Series lenses.
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  12. ShunCheung

    ShunCheung Administrator

    The Canon EF (EOS SLR) to RF (full 35mm frame mirrorless) adapter is just an extension tube, plus some electronics inside for any protocol conversion, if necessary. Nikon's FTZ is a lot more complex with a motor to mechanically control the aperture; thus the FTZ has a bulky "tripod mount" to hide the motor. That is the price Nikon and a lot of their customers are paying for the backward compatibility all the way to ancient lenses manufactured 60 years ago.

    The FTZ also has a fuse inside. Once I mounted an older AF-S lens the 28-70mm/f2.8 from around year 2000 on it, and the lens immediately fried the fuse. I had to send that FTZ back to Nikon for repair (at least it was still under warranty at the time). Nowadays I keep two FTZ adapters so that I have a spare. I also don't mount any old AF-S lenses on it any more, especially those from the era when they still had an aperture ring.

    I would welcome a simpler FTZ that only works with F-mount E and AF-P lenses, but its market is probably limited.
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  13. This FTZ stuff is OT from the Z9, a camera I'll never be able to afford anyway. It seems like there has to be more than one camera as the flagship. The sports people need a flagship. The landscape people need a flagship. The BIF people need a flagship, though I don't know much about how different the requirements are from sports. The PJs need a flagship. We sort of have all that in the current dSLR lineup, but it's too soon to get there with mirrorless, given the world situation. As long as the Z lineup is limited, no matter what Nikon does, there will be various groups complaining about all its shortcomings.
  14. If the Z9 is 45MP AND has a version of pixel shift, it should keep most people happy.
  15. "45MP and pixel shift" just asking for tripod to put those pixels in good use, and also a bit too much for video.
    So, what is the point of switching to mirrorless? To spend extra money?
  16. 45MP is pretty much 8K, which I suspect will plateau the demand for hi res video.

    Main benefit of mirrorless is a truly silent shutter and an effortless high frame rate that doesn't scare neighbouring countries.
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  17. If I want pro-video, I would use pro-video camera, its easier.
    I don't think people will be buying whole new system for silent shutter and high frame rates.
  18. Lets just say ALL of the major manufacturers disagree with you.

    They are not gambling, it's the future.

    Not that it makes any of the current DSLR tech obsolete, far from it.

    Co-incidentally, Nikon Z series lenses are notably better than their previous F mount ones, but that's not directly connected with Mirrored or Mirrorless.
  19. Now I like loud shutter sound but I do like electronic shutter as mechanical shutter isn't very accurate.
  20. I gotta say I like the sound of my Z6ii on Hi+, it's pretty quiet but kinda like Bond's nail gun in Casino Royale....:)

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