Would Someone Educate me on 110 SLRs?

Discussion in 'Modern Film Cameras' started by ben_hutcherson, Jan 1, 2018.

  1. The Film Photography Podcast Store and the Lomo store care 110 film. During My last trip to Tokyo, I picked up a few dozen rolls of E6, C41 and B&W 110 to feed my Pentax Auto 110, Diana Baby 110, and a few other Kodak instamatics. I grabbed two complete Pentax kits with all the lenses and macro adaptors for a song. 110 film fits what I want from some projects I do...and is fun to use.
  2. Well, a few months later I looked again and found a nice, boxed inexpensive Auto 110 kit on Ebay. It's on its way.

    This is the standard 18/24/50 kit with a flash and winder. I figured it was worth a shot-my last film order cost me more.

    I'm almost embarrased to admit that I bought a Lomo product also-I bought a 3 pack of their 110 color film. It was less expensive than outdated Kodak or Fuji of unknown quality...
  3. I got the camera today...it's hard to appreciate how small it is until you've held one in your hand.

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  4. m42dave

    m42dave Dave E.

    Have fun! Hope you can share some sample photos sometime.
  5. Enjoy Ben. Share some of your photos sometime.
  6. The film I ordered from Adorama arrived when I was out of town, but hopefully I can load and shoot some tomorrow. I have a BUNCH of film from my vacation to take to the lab(shot a lot of Velvia, Provia, a bit of E100G, and even Ektar 25 but about 20 frames of digital) so I'll try to shoot a roll before I take this batch to the lab and include it.

    Scanning should be fun. I have the glass adapter for my Epson V700. I doubt it will be worth the trouble of wet scanning, but I have a nice heavy piece of AN glass that came with my Better Scanning 120 holder. I can probably dry scan with that over top of ~3 strips at a time or so.

    BTW, I went to my favorite local used shop to see if I could dig up some 110 film before leaving since I knew the fresh stuff wouldn't arrive. I have a good relationship with the shop and they let me dig A LOT but I didn't find any(any time film comes in with a camera, it gets tossed in the same general area of the shop.). I though I'd hit paydirt when I found a long, skinny box of Kodak Gold 100. Much to my surprise, I dumped the roll out of the open box and it was 120 that expired in 1996. I forget that even "consumer" 120 film was available not all that long ago-for that matter I think Kodak was still making 620 back then.
  7. I use the Lomo 110 film adaptor for scanning on my V700. Totally retro look. I'll put up a few shots from when I did some photography in Seattle...just need to remember what drive the scans are on...lol
  8. Alright, here's my first attempt.

    I'm not normally a fan of "full frame" scans, but left them here for a couple of reasons.

    One of these is that I couldn't manage to get the orange mask completely out of the scan. Apparently, though, Vuescan was still able to get the color right-or at least it looks good to me.

    Second, you'll notice that the cut-off isn't exactly at the frame edge. I hesitate to call it "ghosting", but as you can see the image extends out(at much lower density) past the proper "frame." I'm not sure if this is a peculiarity of the camera or if most 110s do this. My only other 110 camera was a Kodak I had when I was quite young(my aunt gave it to me after she bought a Disk) and I never looked at the negatives(if I could even find them).

    Third, it's not particularly sharp. I wanted to show the frame markings to show that it's not a scanner focus issue. This was taken on a good "sunny 16" day, which means that the camera PROBABLY fired around 1/500 and between f/5.6 and f/8. I forget what the minimum aperture on these is-I think it's around f/9 or so. It MAY be that I'm seeing that the lens is diffraction limited-I'd have to test more to find out, and it may be that an ND is called for(I wish I'd spent a bit extra on a kit that had filters included, as a polarizer is generally one of the filters and they seem pricey outside a kit). Also, I'm sure that the square behind the lens aperture isn't the best situation. I just wish that there was a way to know what the camera was doing...

    In any case, as can be seen this was taken on Lomography brand "Tiger" film, which is rated at ASA 200. These are quite dense as the low speed code on the Auto 110 is 80, and there's no way to apply any exposure compensation. I've been told that their film is made by Lucky in China.

    Unfortunately, the lab managed to put a nice scratch on it. The scratch seems huge, which I guess it is relative to the negative(the same scratch even on 35mm wouldn't be as noticeable).

    This was scanned directly on the bed with a piece of AN glass over the negatives. I made the mistake of scanning emulsion up for the first frame, which of course gave me Newton rings.

    The V700 doesn't do ICE with on-bed scans, although fortunately the focus is pre-set and correct(I think on-bed is meant for 8x10 given that there's an 8x10 mask you can use, but will work with any size piece of film as long as you can keep it flat. The maximum resolution is 4800 dpi(as opposed to 6200 in a film holder-I've been told that the 6200 dpi scans use a different lens). Also, even though it doesn't support ICE, I'd think the AN glass would drive it nuts-I'll have to try.

    I may try again tomorrow both wet and dry with the glass mount adapter.

    All of that aside, here's a photo of my MG-an appropriate subject that's a few years older than the camera.

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  9. The larger image is a feature of the Pentax Auto 110.
  10. 126, and I believe also 110, have pre-exposed borders. As well as I remember from 126 days, this allows printers to standardize on the frame size.
  11. That makes sense in light of how the negatives look.

    BTW, I've also bought some Lomo "Orca" B&W film. Hopefully it's a bit finer grained that the color film.
  12. The Orca is a nice film. Enjoy
  13. Thanks. It should be fun to play with when it gets here.

    I've also been reading up a bit on microfilm and on loading it into a 110 cartridge. Unfortunately, it looks like I need a Super Auto 110 to get the +1.5 EC to get the exposure correct on ASA 25 microfilm.

    Freestyle sells Agfa 35mm perforated microfilm pre-rolled into 35mm cans for a reasonable price-I'll buy some of that before I start experimenting with it in 35mm. Fortunately, I don't have to worry about the perforations for the Pentax, so can use unperforated 16mm microfilm.
  14. Ive seen very sharp images from the first minolta 110 zoom. Images were far from poor quality.
  15. Both 126 and 110 have pre-exposed borders, such that they are white in positives. The words are then unexposed, and black in positives.

    I think I have known before that the exposed borders aren't quite enough to stop any image from coming through, especially if you overexpose it.
    However, printing machinery is designed for the specified frame size. I am not sure about slides.
  16. Both Kodachrome and Ektachrome came in both 126 and 110.

    110 slides came back in either 2x2 mounts, or smaller mounts, for a smaller
    Carousel projector. Kodak was all prepared for people to take 110 seriously.

    But yes, not all the films from 35mm or 120 made it into those sizes.
    There was TX126, but I don't remember TX110.
  17. Back in the 80s I went on a bit of a camera collecting bender and bought and shot with cameras of a whole range of formats including a couple of very interesting old 5x7 cameras. Included in my explorations were a few sub-miniature formats including Minox (B and IIIS with Minox enlarger, tanks etc.), 110 (Minox 110S which I still have), half-frame (Pen F and FT) and Robot (those were gorgeous and I wish I'd kept the Royal Model III). All great fun and a fine learning experience, though I sold off most of them in the early 90s and bought a house. I didn't use the 110 very much, but the MinoxB was fun and made decent enough images if I used slower film. The Pens were great and easy to to work with, but the Robot was the star of the show, 24x24 images included.
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  18. When it was introduced, I came thisclose to trading my Rollei 35S for a new Pentax 110 kit, but chickened out last minute (mostly shot chromes then, not the best format for 110).

    A first-version Minolta 110 Zoom SLR came "free" in the camera bag of a Nikon F I bought some years ago. Nifty camera, still works perfect, unfortunately the lens is completely clotted with fungus so I can't actually use it. They're virtually worthless now, so nothing to lose: maybe on a rainy day I'll try to get the Minolta lens apart to fumigate it.

    Always wanted to try a Robot: really should have bought one back in the '90s when they weren't so collectible.
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  19. I had a few of them, but the Royal was the one I really liked. I should have kept the thing (I've said that before)....

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