sam_whitfield Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 I am a beginning wildlife photographer and I love to photograph whitetail deer. My favorite place to do this is in Cades Cove in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. Here the deer are very acustomed to humans and you can get within twenty feet of most. The problem is I only get to go their maybe four times a year and when I do go I only get to stay about two days. I need more oppurtunities to photograph these animals so I have started to photograph in my hometown where the deer are wild and hunted. People say that deer are imposible to sneak up on but I figure if hunters can do it, than so can photographers. Any tips on how or where to find deer, how to photograph them in the wild, tracking, scent control, blinds, ect. would be greatly welcomed. Thanks. P.S. How do you photograph deer in the woods. Everytime I try to, there is not enough light and I can never find them in mid day. Do you have to have a f/2.8 lens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m._huber Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Locate a well used, recent deer trail, possibly on the way to a water hole, take a stand upwind and be patient. Early morning or just before sunset is best. They usually bed down during the day. Be free of all scent, including bug spray. When walking, walk slowly and stop frequently as a grazing animal would do. Might take several tries to locate their patterns and find out more about their habits. Deer have a large grazing range and may not return to the same area frequently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m._huber Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 ...also, "glass" frequently with as little motion as possible and be sure none of your lenses reflect light back in the direction you are looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_berrus Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Sam, M.H. is quite correct. Eliminate all scent - wash with baking soda, wash your clothes with baking soda, wear rubber boots, stay upwind, wear full camo clothing or better a photoblind like LL Rue, stay motionless, use the fastest lens you can afford, yes a 2.8 80-200 is the standard for shots within 100 feet. Deer move most at the edges of day and in transition zones where forest meets corn fields, swamp and hillside intersec, they like to move earlier in the day on cloudy days and they hate windy days - can't trust their noses with the currents. You may want a flsh extender to help, a fill flash is an almost essentail anytime. Talk with local farmers for permission to photograph and for normal locations and times of day. If not in hunting season, a little well placed corn and apples helps. Forget ree stands for photography - it needs to be eye level. Also, see if there are any Whitetail breeders in the area - the locations may be tricky to avoid fenses, barnyard looking mud, etc - but the opportunity can be worth some investment in time, especially for mid-may fawn closeups. Hope it helps. Have fun - I have hundreds of images and make more all the time. The nat'l parks are, by far, the bestlocations for natural undisturbed closeups - but you already know that. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m._huber Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 ... also, in regard to your references to hunters, it is true that bow hunters can get quite close, but they use special clothing, masking smells, darken their hands and face and do a lot of belly crawling. Rifle hunters with a good scope can get a good clean shot at 300 to 500 yards well out of camera range. Photographing deer is much harder than hunting deer. Also during hunting season, other hunters will keep the deer on on the move. It might help to just explore and study first traveling as light as possible, (maybe even no camera). Regardless of what you see or what you are able to capture on film, you should enjoy the experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc411m Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 I suggest you first look up the term "upwind". If you're upwind, your scent will go downwind to the deer, not what you want. The guys above obviously aren't hunters (at least successful ones). Bowhunters don't crawl on their bellies and only trained snipers take "easy" shots at 300-500 yards. Whitetail deer (as opposed to Mule or Blacktail deer) are very much creatures of habit, and unless pushed out by constant human contact, can sometimes live out their lives within a one square mile area. Stalking thru the woods (called still-hunting) is a viable technique during the day, if you make sure you're always heading into the wind. Whitetails usually lay-up in denser cover during the day, and feed all night (including early evening and mornings). If there has been a stormy night, they sometimes feed during the day. Flash wildlife photography is rather pointless unless all you're interested in is one shot each time (obvious reasons). Most of the time the shutter/motordrive sounds don't catch their attention right away and you can get many shots. Other times, only the "white flag" of their tails waving good-bye. For deer not conditioned to human contact, you'll need a minimum 300mm (up to six if you can afford it). The faster, the better. Unless you're shooting for publication or sales, take advantage of the really good 400/800 films available. A good way to locate good areas, and even to get some shots, is to drive slowly on some of the country roads during the evenings, and pay attention to the pastures close to the treelines. You can usually get fairly close and not spook wildlife as long as you stay in your car. All the techniques used in successfuly hunting wildlife are used in photography. After all, you're hunting deer, just with a different weapon. Plus you get to do it year round. There are lots of really good books and magazines on the subject (hunting as well as photography), and that is one of the best ways to learn. As in any other type of photography, knowing your subject is the key to success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stnoonan Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Sam, <p>You can bring deer to bait blocks very easily. Many wild bird food supply stores carry "deer blocks" which is a large cube of the deers' favorite foods. These have always worked for me. <p>Consider visiting suburban areas as well as wooded areas. The deer that live around me (and there are tons of them) are very much used to being around people. Just walking trails in parks, etc., regularly turn up deer and rarely ever do they run away. <p>PS if you are in the New England area, check out the Crane Estate in Ipswich, MA. The area is infested with deer and the trustees are currently looking into ways to "thin the herd". They have something ridiculous like ten deer per acre, which is causing problems. Anyway, you can go up there and practically trip over the deer without frightening them. <p>Good luck, <p>Sean <br><a href="http://stnphotography.com">www.stnphotography.com</a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_hansen Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Start asking around at work ,your friendsor at a Birders meeting Invariably you will find someone that feeds the deer because they are so cute. Ask them if you can photograph the deer on their property. Most will readily agree if you offer prints.Good huntingChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_hansen Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Its nice to have a 2.8 lens . Gee I wish I had a 400 2.8. But I don't. Use a tripod and good technique. When deer are feeding they periodically look up and freeze momentarily. Also a quick chirp on a predator call done gently will cause them to look up and freeze. The attached photo was done during late evening on a foggy day. A 200 4.5/5.6 zoom was used on a tripod with a 1/8 of a sec shutter speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc411m Posted June 14, 2002 Share Posted June 14, 2002 The best people to talk to are your local Game Warden and state wildlife biologist. Drop by their office in person rather than phone - that way they can meet you and tell if you're serious about it. In addition to the easier spots, they also plant feed patches and put out salt and mineral blocks that not many people know about. Most biologists enjoy the chance to show people what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two23 Posted June 14, 2002 Share Posted June 14, 2002 Most important thing: watch wind direction. The wind should never blow from you to the deer. Deer are most sensitive to smell, then to movement. Find where they come out to feed, sit over the spot semi hidden with a big bush or tree to your back (to break up your silhouette,) and wait. Feeding areas are better than trails for photos, as a general rule. If you've been hanging out in areas frequented by deer during the summer, check yourself for ticks before getting back into your truck. Kent in SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_n2 Posted June 14, 2002 Share Posted June 14, 2002 I face the same problem as you do. I wan't to photograph moose and white-tails, but the closest national park is miles away. Therefore I have to settle with trying to photograph hunted animals. I've had quite a few opportunities where a white-tail deer (one or more) has been watching me for quite a long time (unlike moose, which seem less interested and run off right away). But I have never been able to not eventually startle the deer off. Heck, I don't even know how to find deer each day. During winter their territory should be a lot smaller though. That's when they usually only move between their feeding and resting place. Allthough the deer can be very stressed after the hunting season. It's a longshot, but it is possible to try to "become accepted" by a group or an indivitual. Basicly you act as if you're not interested in them, hang around them as much as you can and always leave before they do. You'd have to be able to find them almost every day. Acting like a grazing animal could help. Also you must always look and smell the same. At first you circle around far from the animals and approach as they get more accustomed to you. The "accustoming process" would take several days or more likely weeks, depending on the deer and how often you could see them. It would require a lot of skill, patience and luck to even get started. The results would be very rewarding though. This possibility of becoming accepted by animals is mentioned in a finnish nature photography book, where there is a picture of nature photographer with three moose in the frame. The picture was taken with a 35mm lense and all the moose are well framed (i.e not small) and the photographer - allthough not in focus - still well recognizable. So he very was close.. The deer/moose will only accept the photographer, so the animals won't actually become tame and hunters or other photographers can't exploit your hard work. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc411m Posted June 15, 2002 Share Posted June 15, 2002 "Beam me up, Scottie"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimstache Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 <p>If I were you, I'd get some nice camo. If you're in the woods during hunting season wear an orange hat. Being a deer hunter I always get frustrated with recreationalists in the woods without orange on. In Massachusetts, hunters have to wear it. You should wash your clothes with baking soda to start off with, and look into getting some bottled Doe urine. Stinks like hell, but you'll attract a nice buck if he's in the rut. When you see a deer you're going to get quite excited. We call it Buck Fever. Just make sure to take your time and compose your shot properly. Deer are incredibly sensitive and are easily spooked. Good luck and have fun. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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