Which Mirrorless do you have and/or want?

Discussion in 'Mirrorless Digital Cameras' started by leslie_cheung, Jan 18, 2012.

  1. I guess I'm an mirrorless "enthusiast" here. So, I figure I'll generate some mirrorless content and posts as that is what really counts in web forums like PN. I do like small cameras, but then all cameras are -more or less- like a box to me. I use them to help me create pictures, plain and simple. I am fond of reading about mirrorless here and there. But I have little interest in doing -in-depth- camera reviews or blogging about them myself...
    What mirrorless camera(s) seems interesting to you? Do you already have one or are you maybe considering one and why? I'll start.
    I have a Nex 5 and M4/3rds. I like the Nex because it has an APS-C sensor, nice high ISO IQ and has awesome features such as incamera panaroma and focus peaking. I also have a modest M4/3rd setup for their smaller, faster, more numerous lens line up. Either of my setup aren't full, so I'm not settled in either camp for good. Having said that, I like mirrorless due to the small size so, I have no desire to add any big zoom or heavy ultra fast lenses. For me, mirrorless cams are all about the right compromises. Sure, I can lug around my d700 if I need ISO 6400 or just pocket my LX3, say, if I need to pocket it.
    What's interesting to me in their respective order:
    Olympus OM-D: Yes, I remember my OM and how much I liked it:)
    Sony Nex 7 or 5N: Most likely my next purchase, if I decide to settle with Nex.
    Olympus EP3: My stand by camera of choice, if nothing pan out.
    Fuji X-PRO 1: Let's see how they fixed up the X100 short comings or not. It has great lenses but just a little too big for my taste.
    Fuji X100: I might be interested if the price drop enough, I don't like the slow AF, but I love the 35mm(equivalent) f2 FL and fuji colors. I can get used to the quirky menu, I'm sure.
    Nikon V1: Fastest AF of all (but all are pretty quick now if you don't need tracking) and long battery life but lousy menus and little or no relevant camera feature. Again, might be interested if the price is right and the lens line up pans out.
    Ricoh GXR: Love the ricoh's UI and ergo, best in the business IMO but I'm not big into UI like some as I can adapted to most UI. Again, if I find one at the right price.
    Samsung NX: Great lenses and great prices I hear, need more consumer friendly or enthusiast marketing?
    Panasonic GX1: Not really interested, maybe need to check out more.
    Canon G1X: Not really interested, maybe need to check out more.
    Pentax Q: Not really interested, maybe need to check out more
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    ...dirty but quick size comparison (left to right) Widelux, Nex 5 w/16mm, GF3 w/14mm , EPL3 w/17mm, DSLR d700 w/17-35mm
    What do you have? Which one are you considering? No?, why not? PN needs mirrorless generated content! Do it for PN! Alright...yeah ,my other half is kickin' in...They are just tools, boxes. Just helping out PN here:)
     
  2. The only mirrorless (working) cameras I currently have is a Panasonic P&S and cellphones... And I'm OK with the size, slapping mirror and weight of my DSLR, so I am not utterly pushed to get into mirrorless with interchangeable lenses. I'm following developments, but at the moment more as a gadget freak than somebody who is ready to pull the wallet out and get something.
    But since you invite thoughts, here are my considerations.
    The Fuji X-Pro 1 really is the most interesting to me (*), if it wasn't for the price - as is the X100. I like it Fuji chose to launch the X1 with primes. If I get a camera like this, I'm not going to be tempted by a slow kitzoom, I'm looking for a system that could give me ~35/50/85mm small(ish) fast(ish) primes. Hopefully the next X model will be more affordable - then I might actually consider it. The NX200 with its affordable and small primes is also interesting, to me. Here in Europe, the lenses really are a relative bargain.
    I considered the Olympus E-PM1 some time ago, when it was on offer here for a really good price. What put me off was the interface - too much a P&S, at which moment I decided I could just as well do with the P&S (which is lighter, smaller and less expensive to replace), since adding the wanted primes was going to add quite some cost, and still leave me with a user interface that doesn't look too great to me.
    Somehow I think that Nikon may have got quite some things incredibly right with the Nikon 1's. When it launched, the sites and forums were all lamenting how the sensor wasn't larger.... but at least, the system is small, and a large portion of the market does not care about sensor size. And more important, it's fast, and I honestly believe that counts for many people. Most people I know grow tired of P&S because they're slow - slow to AF, slow to take a picture, slow with continuous shots. It's not aimed at most people here (experienced photographers, most used to rather direct interfaces), but well, us here, we're a niche market. The 1 system doesn't seem perfect, but it does fix some real-world issues. For other people. It's not for me.
    My next camera.... will probably be a newer DSLR body. Unless the P&S breaks first.
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    (*) Does the Leica M9 count as a mirrorless? In that case, that's the most desirable - easy to state since my budget is nowhere near Leica money.
     
  3. Just haven't seen one yet that's talking to me, Leslie (enough to buy one, and a suite of lenses and new compatible flash to go with it ...). But I can see that at some point there will be something that I'd gladly count as an emergency backup or really-traveling-light device, when a big light-gathering lens isn't appealing anyway. We'll see.

    In the meantime, my primary mirrorless camera is made by Apple.
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  4. I have a Samsung NX100. I am considering either the Sony NEX 7 or Fuji X-Pro 1 (the best looking camera I've seen in years!). Basically, I'm standing pat to see how things shake out as I am not an early adopter type. Scuttlebutt has it that Samsung has a rangefinder-type camera in the pipeline as well.
    Truth be told, for all it's ergonomic missteps, the NX100 is quite good and, IMHO, the best bang for the mirrorless buck right now. For relatively small $$$, it has a nice feature set- APS-C 14.6MP, a great OLED screen, easy-to-use interface, I-Control lenses and adaptability to my fleet of MF Canon FD, Nikkor, Pentax SMC M42 and Olympus lenses. Shooting RAW, the image quality is surprisingly good. My EOS 7D is better but not by much at far greater cost and weight. Even the Samsung kit 20-50mm zoom is impressively good. The thing slips into a jacket pocket, is as light as a feather and totally silent which you just got to love. A few rubber Gecko strips on the body helped tremendously with the handling of this slick little body.
    This camera will hold me for a while till things shake out a bit more. I have to say it's the most fun I've had with a camera in years.
     
  5. Well, I have the E-PM1 and have to say it's an absolutely brilliant camera. Although the controls are simplified as Wouter states, it isn't really an issue to me. In fact, I would consider it partially why I like it. It's uncluttered, easy to use, and does everything I need. When I'm using it, chances are I'm not carrying a meter, so I'm in either aperture priority or shutter priority. Just turn the wheel on the back to adjust the exposure, and I'm good to go. It's fast, compact, easy to use, and gives much better results than my LX3 did.
    That said, if adding to the stable (it will be a long time before I replace the E-PM1), it will either be a new m43 (maybe that OM-D if rumors are true), or the Fuji+primes. But, I'm not sure any of those would serve me better than a dedicated DSLR (currently D7000). More than likely, the D700 or rumored D800 is in the future.
    But yes, mirrorless I would choose are the OM-D, if rumors hold true, or the Fuji. The NEX just don't work for me.
     
  6. Panasonic GX1, but I'm looking forward to seeing if the Olympus "OM-D" rumors are true.
     
  7. The Fuji's are the most interesting to me right now and the ones I can't wait to get my hands on. If an EP3 with better handling came out, I'd be excited. The GXR, while a unique design, has been great for me. I like the pentax Q, but I don't know that I like it enough to buy one. Particularly with the limited lens lineup. The Sonys and Nikons I need more time with before I feel I could have a educated opinion.
     
  8. I wouldn't mind picking up a second hand NEX when one comes down to my price league! Like the look of the Pen series but can't justify buying one.
     
  9. I have one mirror by Canon and five mirrorless, Canon, Nikon, Panasonic in reverse order of purchase. But when I think of the true mirrorless instead of the coy connotations I have one. One which doesn't figure in your list ... shame on you Leslie.
    Whatyer got against the G3? :)
    Matt ... I got an interesting snap recently ... a woman applying make-up using her freind's live view digital as a 'mirror' ...at least as a mere male I thought it fun :)
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  10. I have a Panasonic G1 right now and I'll have to wait and see how the Olympus OM-D is before I would make my next purchase. With all the hacks happening on the GH2 I wouldn't mind picking one up just for some upgrade on the stills side but the videos I've seen from it make it a great combination. Now will Panasonic come up soon with a GH3 that would make it more interesting for me.
     
  11. I have a Panasonic G2 and an Olympus EP1. Both offer unique features which makes me use both. I like the Fuji mostly because of its close resemblance to a rangefinder camera. However, I doubt I'll be purchasing anything in the near future since what I have is working for me.
     
  12. And now I have the 014140 lens for the G3 it feels and looks like a proper camera with reasonable weight like a small SLR. The nearest I can get to a bridge camera with a larger sensor capable of giving reasonable results at 6400 ISO ... what a change from sticking to 100 ISO for fear of noise or whatever.
    Note ... my FZ bridges I discovered are the heaviest in their range, 700g ... I guess I am a SLR lover at heart but enjoy the digitalness of the M4/3 and FZ50s as opposed to the cumbersome DSLR. The FZ may be a 'DSLR-like' camera in some respects but to me they are the 'digital camera' for a serious worker.
     
  13. As you know Leslie I have a Sony 5n, EVF, 3 emount lenses and the upgraded flash. It is the most exciting thing I have done since I got into the wedding business in the late nineties with a complement of Bronica gear. It is also quite frustrating. The camera with the 1.5 16.1 MP sensor makes really good pictures. The software, which Sony needs to correct, drives me nuts. I know what menu "format" is in but I must have to page through thirty different items to find it as I did an hour ago. Nothing is alphabetized or numbered. It's hard to know with six different menu pages where anything is. There is no real logical order. The camera does have programmable soft keys so I don't have to search for most used items when I am actually using the camera. I hope they do something with a software update. Having said that the camera is loaded with features that never existed in my Canon or Bronica equipment. I was doing some fifty shot panoramas in camera this afternoon. There is in camera HDR. There is anti-motion blur that takes multiple pictures to reduce noise at high ISO. There is focus peaking that borders subjects that are actually in focus with red edges. This is very valuable using the LCD or the EVF to focus. I had to learn to shut off the AF illuminator, go to center focus among options, and enable manual focus (DMF) on the menu to achieve focus accuracy. The EVF and Flash don't co-exist. Because of the unique mount you use either one or the other. Although the LCD is fine in low light when one usually uses flash. I have a 16mm pancake that makes the camera pocketable barely. The 18-55 is a little less than four inches long and 55-200 about an inch longer. The EVF is quite good. It shows actual exposure and the camera focuses full time when you are in picture taking mode. I have shot some competitive swimming at 10 frames per second. It only focuses on the first frame. I got some decent pictures. The camera does close to four frames per second when focusing in each frame.

    Don't ask me to give the damn thing back. After twenty plus years of dragging a twenty to forty pounds of camera bags around I can shoot this thing with one hand and the bag I carry weighs less than three. I do my swim meets with Canon and a 70-200L lens because of action that I need 2.8 for. But I intend in the next meet to shoot more with the 5N. I am way more inclined to take this thing with me when I go out. It does not sit at home much like my Canon stuff is doing these days. The damn thing is sitting on my lap right now because I can't remember all the new terminology that Sony has introduced and the weird names they give to some of their functions. It has changed my photo habits.
     
  14. I'm thinking about canning the Pentax stuff I own and slipping into something a little smaller that I might actually take with me on business trips, etc, instead of a film camera. I love my K-x and lenses, don't get me wrong, but I really miss my Olympus E330 and 14-54, what a wonderful combination. I will probably pick up an EPL-3 shortly, or might wait a little while longer to see if the Pentax rumors flying around materialize. The Sony to me, after handling one for a while, feels awkward and the menu system is turrable. I think m4/3s is still the bee's knees, so will most likely stay there, pick up the EPL-3 and a couple of small primes and I'm good to go.
     
  15. I have the Nikon P7000 mirrorless digital. My first digital camera was the Nikon Coolpix 990 mirrorless digital. I want the new Canon G1 X mirrorless digital, but I can't afford it this year.
     
  16. Maybe I don't use the many features or functions on the Nex as others do but I really don't have much qualm with their menu/interface. I use A mode, center focus with matrix metering and I often just switch apertures, ISO and -/+ all via buttons w/o going into the menu. And if I do go into the menu...the first menu with 6 choices is rather logical and easy but within those menus, it takes maybe a little scrolling 10-15 seconds at most. Maybe I have good digit dexterity? I encourage anyone interested in the Nex to really check its menu out before dismissing it. The 5n has really nice IQ at such a small size...It has the same sensor as the d7000/K5/A580, if you didn't know. Awesome IQ and it's $699 with a decent kit zoom! The 5n and Epm1 is IMO the best bargain in the mirrorless (except maybe the Nx and p&s) realm...
     
  17. I have an E-PL1 I bought recently. It's really quite good, and it was $400 as a 2-lens kit, which is kind of nuts. Got some off-brand lens adapters and I can use my manual focus primes with sensor stabilization, so it's pretty much ideal.
     
  18. I've owned a lot of mirror less cameras (and it's boring to list them out here) but none of them has interchangable lenses. None of the MILC is interesting to me (neither are their prices) because I don't want the sensor to get dirty all the time. With interchangable lenses, even if you never change the lens, the sensor will soon get dirty again. On the other hand, all my mirror less so far don't have good enoigh IQ and controls.
    Now, I am so excited about the G1X, its configuration exactly fits what I want, even the lens range and speed. I will definitely get it when it comes out (or a little later for the price to go down a little). I am a little concerned that my friends would not call it a mirror less. In that case, I guess, I'll call it my CC (Companion Camera)
     
  19. I inherited a Sony DSC-R1 that I use once in a while. I like the top-mounted LCD which can be used as a waist-level finder and the fact that the camera is absolutely quiet. Nice focal length range too (from 24 to 120 in 35mm equivalent) with excellent optical quality. Use of the camera is pretty much limited to base ISO and static subjects - definitely not a camera for action shots.
    Of the current mirrorless cameras, the Nex-7 and the Fuji X Pro1 have piqued my interest. I will not consider any camera with a smaller than APS-C-size sensor and without an eye-level viewfinder - and the only reason I am interested at all is because I would like to use my Leica M lenses on a digital body without having to spend a fortune on the M9 or deal with the shortcomings of the M8/M8.2.
     
  20. I bought a G1 when they first came out. It's nice but it blows the highlights in almost every shot. You really have to dial back the EV compensation and then the pictures come out flat and lifeless.
    OM-D will have to be Full-Frame (24mmx36mm) to interest me.
     
  21. Leslie. There are 23 different functions each having a sub menu in the Setup mode on the 5n. That's a lot to go through. I have covered some of them with soft keys. There has been enough complaint so that I believe Sony will do a software update. This does not dissuade me from recommending the camera at all but all equipment can be improved. I think this is a result of Sony expanding the capabilities of the software in the 5N and 7N. I have found that even though I have over twenty years of experience with seven as a professional in my own business I have had to learn a lot new to operate my two month old 5N. This is because of the truly advanced capabilities that have been stuffed into this little camera. There are 24 functions in the shoot mode. Many of the features in these menus are not found on other cameras and I believe they represent a significant step forward in camera design. I am really enthusiastic about this camera and because these many features are so diverse and useful I am still an old dog trying to learn new tricks. They portend the future of the field, I believe. As I said earlier I do photography for the pictures as opposed to reveling in features, but these new features really help with the pictures. They are surpringly good.
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  22. I want one that has a native Leica M mount and a GREAT focus confirmation light that works with any lens attached to it. I like Fuji's approach to the "Leica look". If they had made an interchangeable version with these features, I would snap it up.
     
  23. The Nikon V1 gets too much bad press. Here's the thing. You set it on "A" so you can adjust the stops a bit and change a thing or two in the menus, maybe adjust the exposure comp a bit then you go shoot. That is what this camera does better than most. It gets it right without your input.
    You want control? You don't need much control with this gem. Simple is good. Let go, enjoy.
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  24. EP-2 for me - great camera that rivals my D3 for image quality, even surpasses it in some respects
     
  25. I recently bought the Panasonic GF-3 with the new 14-24 lens that retracts when the camera is off, making it a very portable camera. The lens zooms using a switch rather than a turn of the lens which makes for smooth video, and it is stabilised to boot.
    They dropped the thumb dial and hot shoe, but you can use a different dial which I find convenient enough. The camera is smaller than the predecessors and is very noticeable when you hold it. Carry a gorillapod in your bag and you've got a good kit.
    I carry it on small outings when I would normally be camera-less because of the size of my D300 kit, so I'm glad I bought it. I was initially planning on getting the 20mm 1.7 but I'm pretty happy having just the zoom.
     
  26. Matthew, I picked the GF3 just because I had a great deal over Xmas but the touch screen menus isn't nearly half bad. It exceeded all my expectations.
    Dick, the 5n has more features than the 5 then? Wow! Sony *is* the most innovative camera company imo...
     
  27. The PEN 3's touch screen is outstanding. It's just like an iphone/smartphone and is really a lot cooler than I would have thought. I just wish that you could use it to do more stuff. Scroll through menus and whatnot.
     
  28. I currently use a combination Panny GH2 and Oly E-PL2 for personal/hobby shooting.

    I got the Panny primarily for video jobs and for that, it works in tandem with my Canon 7D and a conventional large sensor HD Cam.

    The Oly I got more for hobby shooting when I want something smaller and lighter than a DSLR. I use it mostly with my old Nikkor primes and M42 & M39 lenses. What I like about the Oly the most are; the gr8 looking JPEGs and in-body IS that works with ANY lens.

    After a while I thought I really should use both Panny and Oly together. Here's how I work them;
    1) I use the Panny with both the Lumix AF 14mm & 20mm primes for wide to medium shots. I like the Panny for wider shots because (IMO) it has more detail and higher resolution. However, I mostly shoot RAW with the Panny and post-process in either Lightroom or PS CS5.5 this way, I get the colors I want (later).
    2) I use the Oly almost exclusively with old manual focus primes. Because of the 2X crop factor, Im able to get gr8 jpeg close ups right out of the camera.

    I use a VF-2 electronic viewfinder with the Oly E-PL2. (IMO) This is indispensable for manual focusing. Personally, I wouldn't shoot w/o it. I use Fotodiox adapters for the Nikkors, M42 and M39 primes. I also use a Light Craft Lightworks variable neutral density filter for shooting at wide apertures in bright sunlight.

    I thought about upgrading to the EP-3 but with the way I use the E-PL2, I see no reason to change, at least not yet.
     
  29. I decided to purchase a NEX 5N and the EVF, based on early reviews, in November last year after returning from a month-long vacation trip driving across the US, using my Canon 7D, 5D-2 (and an A630 for email jpegs) heavily along the way. It took only a few days of heavy use with the 5N before I ordered an inexpensive OM-NEX adapter to try out some of my old manual focus optics. The ease and excellent results on the 5N using the mounted lenses with the manual focus peaking assist function of the 5N quickly had me ordering native adapters for every manual focus brand I owned. Between the adjustable EVF, the flexible LCD on the 5N, and peaking, these old lenses have never been easier to use or produced better and more consistent images (within the limits of this photographer).
    Earlier this week I ordered the new Conurus-designed Metabones adapter to be able to mount EF lenses on the NEX, where the EF aperture, as well as lens IS if available, can be controlled by the NEX body. No AF is enabled using the EF lenses, but with the peaking function, I'll see if I can extend my use of f/1.2 and f/1.4 EF lenses a bit further. The DSLRs have not had much exercise these past few months.
    We do live in interesting times.
     
  30. I like the idea of mirrorless but money is a real issue for me being retired. My only digital is a Olympus E-410 with it's kit kens and OM and M42 adapters. The E-410 I've had since March of 2009 when it was discounted and closed out. Right now I'm watching the VF-2 prices and E-PL1 prices and it looks like I could get both for $450 plus I'd have to spend another $125 for the lens adapters I want. The VF-2 is essential as I just can't get along with the 'stinky diaper hold' for taking pictures. The OM-D may have a built in EFV but the body alone will run $1100 to $1300 I'm thinking. Really, I don't need another camera I just like the compact size of the m4:3 and the fact I can adapt all my ancient Olympus Pen F lenses as well as just about any old lens I have collected up over the last 40 years. Perhaps that is a poor reason to buy into m4:3 but it is mine and I am sticking to it.
     
  31. I have been using an E PL1 with the Panasonic 20 1.7 as a carry around for a couple of years now. I recently had a chance to use an NEX 5N and while I was impressed with the high ISO performance and the large sensor, I keep wondering why Sony didn't offer some better lenses than the kit 18-55 and the 16, neither of which impressed me. Why make such a nice camera and then saddle it with less-than-nice lenses?
    I'll probably stick with the Pen/20 combination, though I am interested in the Canon G1X.
     
  32. I suspect m4/3 is dead in the water. Look at the latest high-end EP3 camera from Olympus compared to the much smaller Canon S100 and faster-lens Fuji X10. It has the worst dynamic range (RAW according to DxOmark). Its total score is only 51 compared to 50 for the other cameras. The larger sensor seems to be accomplishing nothing.
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  33. Yeah, Bill...nothing matters but DR:)
     
  34. For me, yes. But the other graphs don't look good for the EP3, either. Put any NEX on the chart and m4/3 looks like an overpriced P&S.
     
  35. And hold a NEX and it FEELS like an oversized point and shot.
    But hey, you could choose a m4/3 body that has a better chip in it to do your comparisons, you know, like the new Panasonic (GX1, I think), or you could use the tired, old Olympus chip that has barely changed since the E-P1.
    m4/3 is only dead if Olympus AND Panasonic fail to keep up in the sensor department.
    And, even though the Oly chip has less DR, there are a lot of other factors that make the m43 format a very nice thing.
     
  36. Let's just say people buy cameras for different reasons. The cameras all have different weaknesses and strengths...That's why we could ask and debate about them, say, thru this forum. I, for one, would not consider either of them due to their ultra low CIPA battery capacity. However, I'm sure battery capacity doesn't matter much too most people. Or, I could speak of their slow AF lag or, say, their (S100, X10) relatively high price for fixed lens p&s etc...
     
  37. Bill, if you look at the SNR, the E-P3 is 1-1.5 stops ahead of the X10, and the Panasonic GX1 (another micro four thirds model) is still better. The GX1 is also better than the X10 in DR at ISO 800 and higher while being slightly behind at ISO 200 and below (in DR, but ahead in SNR).
    Micro Four Thirds has an excellent lineup of compact prime lenses as well. In my opinion the GX1 with some primes (e.g. 12/2, 14/2.5 or 20/1.7, and 45/1.8) seems make the best value system if you want good image quality in a compact system camera.
     
  38. bms

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    Leslie, thanks for an interesting thread. Mine are the M9 and a Nikon V1, unless you'll also count the Olympus XZ-1 which I recently acquired (mainly to shoot underwater).
    If you look beyond the Nikon V1 annoying soccermom/dad features, it is a fast and capable shooter. And it fits in my (coat)pocket, very much in contrast to a Nikon D700(0).....
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    V1, 10 f2.8
     
  39. Leslie, thanks for an interesting thread. Mine are the M9...​
    RF assemblies use mirrors. Throw him to the wolves! Throw him to the wolves!
    Seriously though, I'm just jealous. I love the M9 and enjoy using it whenever I can get Leica to loan me one.
     
  40. Nice picture, Benjamin! On the V1, is there a knob or dial to switch between EVF and the LCD? Or is there some kind of smart eye detect where it automatically switches to EVF, once you are looking into the EVF?
     
  41. bms

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    Josh: Mirror....? You can equip the iPhone with a mirror :) I guess it'd be a "DSLR" of some sort....

    Leslie:

    it is an proximity sensor. It would be nice if one could switch the EVF on via a button or the menu, too, because there is a slight lag when you raise it your eye, and you have to wait maybe half a second, which gets to be annoying. Luckily, it senses proximity of gaffer tape just fine, so I just taped it over when doing shooting on the street. The only quarrel I have, except the stupid "smart mode" and the "cheesy move ending in a still" mode is the obligatory image review after each shot. I am guessing that the V2 will fix it, or maybe some firmware upgrade on the V1....
     
  42. bms

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    BTW, Leslie, the Widelux seems like a neat camera - no mirror I guess :) DO you use it much?
     

  43. I love the NEX-7!
    my D3 is collecting dust, since I got the Leica M9 - and the Leica starts to collect dust, since I got the NEX-7 :)
    main reason:
    I have big problems with my eyes (two operations up to now) and the focusing with the M9 is not easy for me.
    I love the flip monitor for extreme perspectives, the flash contact for studio work, the focus pecking and magnification and the use of my great Leica glass on the 24 MPix!

    just in case, that size matters :)
    in the background: the Gandolfi Variant III, 4x5" analog
    left: Nikon D3 with Nikkor 24-70/2.8, 12 MPix FF
    middle: Leica M9 with Leica Super-Elmar 18mm/3.8, 18 MPix FF
    right: Sony NEX-7 with E-M Adapter and Leica Summilux 35mm/1.4, 24 MPix APS-C
    (took it with Sony NEX-5 with E-Macro 30mm/3.5)
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    left: Leica M9 with Leica Super-Elmar 18mm/3.8, 18 MPix FF
    right: Sony NEX-7 with E-M Adapter and Leica Summilux 35mm/1.4, 24 MPix APS-C
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    NEX-7 with Voiglander 12mm UltraWide Heliar
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    more from my NEX-7 are here
     
  44. I have the Pany G1 & GH1 with a bunch of Canon FD lenses as well as native lenses. Most recently I picked up a Nikon 400mm f/3.5..... still testing it. A shot from yesterday using a monopod.....
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  45. Hi all,
    Just found this section of the forum and thought I'd contribute aswell.
    I have 2 CSCs or whatever the current trendy acronym is today.........a PEN EPL-1 twin lens kit that I won and now a Lumix G3 kit plus a 20mm pancake.
    I like the idea/ concept of the micro4/3rds system as it means less stuff to drag around with me compared to my normal Canon DSLR equipment, heavy & bulky.
    I'd like to see a 'Pro' or Advanced User CSC/EVIL, using a currently available lens fitting, not yet another system to buy into, that has both an optical and electronic viewfinder ( like the Fuji ) built in as standard but with a fold out multi angle touchscreen and direct button controls, not just menus to have to wade through to alter a setting, and no video as I don't use or need this feature myself in a stills camera.
    My own G3 seems to come pretty close but I'm hoping the GX1 would fit my personal use and style better, I'll have to test one when available or maybe I'll wait for the rumoured Oly OM-D concept. depending on affordability.
    It would be nice to see more 3rd party lenses available for micro4/3rds that offer better value to the average person like me as the cost of many lenses is eye wateringly expensive !
    No single camera seems to possess all the feature I'd like to have for use and they all have compromises in them because of build cost or size etc.
    So there you have my input for what it's worth.
     
  46. I'm using a Pany GF-1 with kit and 20mm. I am pretty close to getting a NEX-7 with 24mm 1.8 and 50mm 1.8 and 18-200 (if they were shipping!). Although IQ and good glass is important to me, I don't mind waiting a bit if I know they are working on it.
    I shot with a 5D MKII for a number of years, got sucked in by the good glass and small size of the Pany m4/3, but eventually tired of the low DR and no real improvement in the m4/3 sensor over 3 years, and the GF-1 interface drove me nuts. NEX-7 EVF and sensor (IQ) finally nabbed me. Canon G1X was too limiting with fixed lens. I won't look at another m4/3 until the sensor testing shows a marked improvement in DR. Fuji X-Pro1 was tempting, but fairly large, and the viewfinder didn't look as though it would do the same as the NEX-7, which is a real issue for me in getting the shot.
     
  47. [​IMG]
    EJ • Downtown, San Francisco • ©2011 Brad Evans
    .
    For those looking for a mirrorless 4/3 system cam, I'd recommend the Panasonic G3 (not GF3). Great EVF, twisty LCD, can shoot in square format, and just slightly bigger than others in that category. I returned mine, but not because it was not a capable camera. The above was snapped with the 20mm f/1.7 pancake lens.
     
  48. Thanks for the info, Benjamin. It must not be good with the slight EVF lag considering its lighten AF? Too bad for snapping decisive moments, huh? I put a roll through the widelux last April, I think...Pano are done quite easily with the sony nex.

    Dierk, nice cameras...I think Josh would love of the M9. On the other hand, I would sell the M9, buy the Nex 7 and a RTW tix:)
     
  49. I used a Nikon D2X for over two years, combined with a combination of nice Nikon glass such as the 70-200 VR I, 17-35, 500/4 MF, etc... About a year ago I wanted a smaller camera to haul around with my kid, because using a D2X can sometimes be a bit cumbersome, or problematic indoors with little kids. I bought an Olympus EP2, and I was pleased. It didn't focus or track as fast as a D2X, but generally I got more stuff than with my D2X.
    A few weeks later, it occurred to me that there might not be much of a reason to haul a D2X up and down Shenandoah, as overall I wasn't seeing much reason to choose it over the Oly EP2.
    Then I hauled both systems to Yellowstone, and never used the Nikon gear - although, in fairness I would have had there been more car side opportunities. But hiking? No reason to choose the D2X.
    Does the M43 system, particularly the Oly variation, have weaknesses - of course. Its a poor choice for certain wildlife and sports settings. But overall, even the outdated 12 megapixel sensor that Oly has chosen to use thus far produces photos that are generally more than good enough for the overwhelming amount of situations.
    At this point, I have the Panny 7-14 (which I may sell), the Oly 12, Oly 45, Oly 17, Oly 14-42 and Oly 75-300. Via adaptors I can still use a Nikon 135 or 500, and since they were manual focus lenses I don't lose a thing. My next series of purchases will be perhaps the Oly OMD (or maybe the Panny GX1) and the Panny 20mm.
    Once people used medium format and large format cameras and disdained the smaller, versatile SLRs. I suspect we will see a similar transition from DSLR to mirrorless over the next few years. IMHO the size and weight advantages are so large that the step-back, if any, in image quality will be overwhelmed. It certainly has for me.
     
  50. thanks, Leslie :)
    I would not do pano with the NEX-7 pano function!
    It is only JPG and you have no chance of correcting any strange effects like double images/persons/objects. I would always do (and did) single images in RAW and stitch them on the PC (with the free MS ICE or other like PTGui) - and you have the option of multi row panos.
    what is RTW? :)
     
  51. I have a Blackberry 9700 :) and it'll stay that way, till these new toys will be dirt cheap.
    I'm not about to pay for somebody's development.
     
  52. ted_marcus|1

    ted_marcus|1 Ted R. Marcus

    I have a Canon S90, which I now use more than my superannuated DSLR. It fits in a shirt pocket, I can take it just about anywhere, and it seems to evade the radar of security guards who have nothing better to do than protect their territory from the all-too-frequent threat of photographers. I shoot raw, and in bright light get image quality very close to the DSLR. Indoors at ISOs above 125, the image quality unavoidably suffers.

    What I miss with the S90 is the short and long ends of my DSLR lenses. So I'm considering replacing it with an S100, which has some of the missing range.

    (No mirrors.... nothing up my sleeve....)
     
  53. Ted, make sure your first few S100 photos are of a resolution chart, such as the one referenced in the thread below, because nowadays you have to be your own QA department. The S100 had some amazing DxOmark scores, as you may have seen several pages earlier.

    http://www.photo.net/digital-camera-forum/00ZoCo

    Getting back to the Nikon V1 - I would never buy a camera without flash. No way, no how. The J1 might work for me, although the slow 10-30 (27-81) lens is not exciting. DPreview's tests of the V1 and J1 were published today and scores were not very high.
     
  54. I have a mirrorless cameras to complement my Nikon D700 + D300 kit. I believe in trying to use the right tool for the right job, and love the features that each device brings to the table.
    1. Fuji X100 - love the full APS-C sensor and the fixed lens allows a leaf shutter construction resulting in flash sync up to 1/4000s. Also not much chance of dust on sensor as the lens is not only fixed but not a trombing zoom, which are notorious for sucking in dust. Most people have read about the quality, so I won't go into that.
    2. Ricoh GX100 - got it some time ago, especially like the 24mm (equivalent) wide setting. I use the clip on EVF, which makes for a very compact quality camera, with full manual over-ride
    3. iPhone 4 - the always with me camera. Surprisingly versatile, if used intelligently. Love the built in GPS tagging, for travel work.
    4. iPad 2 - camera is inferior to the iPhone, but expect it to be updated soon in iPad 3
    Of the above set, the X100 is my clear favourite. I actually like the foot-zoom (i.e. use your feet to get closer) and the fast f2 lens is just beautiful.
    Some pics from my X100...
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    Ciao,
    paul
     
  55. Dierk, I just shoot many more frames for pano than needed and hope one comes out alright w/ the nex. RTW is round the world:)
     
  56. Exactly one year ago I got my first M43 camera. I had been looking for a smaller camera than my D90 that I could take with me everywhere and yet would give me better image quality than my existing Elph (which I always had in my bag). The EPL1 was that camera, and, in spite of its drawbacks, it did what I wanted photographically, and I was absolutely convinced that this was the way to go.
    After working with the EPL1 for 6 months, I realized that I didn't care for the way Oly handled some aspects of their image processing, so I moved over to a Panasonic G2. I liked that camera a lot, but still wanted a better sensor, so I ended up getting a GH2 instead. Now THAT camera has an excellent sensor; it has subtleties of tonal gradation that I was looking for but not getting in the earlier sensored models. It's an excellent combination of size and easy functionality and ergonomics, and it is perfect for the kind of landscape and outdoor work that I prefer to do. It's also easy to use larger lenses on (14-140mm or 100-300mm) since it has a real grip, yet it is still small enough for me to hold (I have fairly small hands, so DSLRs like the Nikon D7000 are simply too large for me to get my hand around the grip!).
    I've expanded my lens selection some, also. In addition to the kit lenses, I added in a few legacy lenses (a macro Nikkor 55mm f 3.5 non-AI...very nice lens, works great; a Yashica ML 50mm f 1.7, a Konica 40mm F 1.8), and I invested in the 45mm f 1.8 Oly just recently (that is a really spectacularly good lens). The thing about all of this is, I can take the GH2 with 4 lenses with me in a really small bag; carry it around all day if I am out walking in the woods or other places, and have an excellent camera and all the lenses I need with me, without worrying about the weight of the kit.
    The proof is in the pudding, as they say, so here is what has happened as a result of this: I have taken more photos in the past year than I have in the past 5 (using DSLRs), simply because the camera now goes with me all the time. I have had a several photos accepted at local photo gallery shows, and am working on marketing some of my images. I've finally had a chance to really work on my photography because I at last have tools that work for me, and I am very pleased at the work that I am producing as my skill and technique continues to grow.
    Of course, that does not mean I don't keep looking at new gear....I couldn't resist picking up a GF3 with a 14mm lens this Christmas (it was seriously cheap on special) for my "city" walk around camera. It's so tiny that I can do street photography without anyone coming up and asking me if I am taking pictures for a newspaper or something....Yeah, it's got the old 12MP sensor, but Panasonic has done a very nice job with it this time, and the darned thing is so cute and easy to hold that it's just fun to have with me. The GH2, however, is what I use for anything other than inconspicuous photography, since it is so much better in ultimate image quality.
    A funny thing happened during all of this. I realized that I had not touched my Nikon D90 in months, so I went to pick it up one day, and it felt huge and unfamiliar. I started thinking that maybe I should sell it, but I still was stuck in the "save it for critical use" mode. Finally, after waiting another couple of months, I realized that I was never going to use it, and I put it up for sale. I have zero regrets, too. I am sure that will be blasphemy to many Nikon owners, but to be honest with you, I am getting better results from the M43 gear, and enjoying it more, than I was from the Nikon.
    I considered several other MILC cameras before I went with the M43 format. The Sony NEX was the other contender for me, but when I tried them in store I just couldn't get used to the size imbalance between the larger lenses and the smaller body on them, and I didn't care for the user interface much. The Samsung felt slippery in my hands, so M43 it was. I am glad I went with it.
     
  57. Exactly one year ago I got my first M43 camera. I had been looking for a smaller camera than my D90 that I could take with me everywhere and yet would give me better image quality than my existing Elph (which I always had in my bag). The EPL1 was that camera, and, in spite of its drawbacks, it did what I wanted photographically, and I was absolutely convinced that this was the way to go.
    After working with the EPL1 for 6 months, I realized that I didn't care for the way Oly handled some aspects of their image processing, so I moved over to a Panasonic G2. I liked that camera a lot, but still wanted a better sensor, so I ended up getting a GH2 instead. Now THAT camera has an excellent sensor; it has subtleties of tonal gradation that I was looking for but not getting in the earlier sensored models. It's an excellent combination of size and easy functionality and ergonomics, and it is perfect for the kind of landscape and outdoor work that I prefer to do. It's also easy to use larger lenses on (14-140mm or 100-300mm) since it has a real grip, yet it is still small enough for me to hold (I have fairly small hands, so DSLRs like the Nikon D7000 are simply too large for me to get my hand around the grip!).
    I've expanded my lens selection some, also. In addition to the kit lenses, I added in a few legacy lenses (a macro Nikkor 55mm f 3.5 non-AI...very nice lens, works great; a Yashica ML 50mm f 1.7, a Konica 40mm F 1.8), and I invested in the 45mm f 1.8 Oly just recently (that is a really spectacularly good lens). The thing about all of this is, I can take the GH2 with 4 lenses with me in a really small bag; carry it around all day if I am out walking in the woods or other places, and have an excellent camera and all the lenses I need with me, without worrying about the weight of the kit.
    The proof is in the pudding, as they say, so here is what has happened as a result of this: I have taken more photos in the past year than I have in the past 5 (using DSLRs), simply because the camera now goes with me all the time. I have had a several photos accepted at local photo gallery shows, and am working on marketing some of my images. I've finally had a chance to really work on my photography because I at last have tools that work for me, and I am very pleased at the work that I am producing as my skill and technique continues to grow.
    Of course, that does not mean I don't keep looking at new gear....I couldn't resist picking up a GF3 with a 14mm lens this Christmas (it was seriously cheap on special) for my "city" walk around camera. It's so tiny that I can do street photography without anyone coming up and asking me if I am taking pictures for a newspaper or something....Yeah, it's got the old 12MP sensor, but Panasonic has done a very nice job with it this time, and the darned thing is so cute and easy to hold that it's just fun to have with me. The GH2, however, is what I use for anything other than inconspicuous photography, since it is so much better in ultimate image quality.
    A funny thing happened during all of this. I realized that I had not touched my Nikon D90 in months, so I went to pick it up one day, and it felt huge and unfamiliar. I started thinking that maybe I should sell it, but I still was stuck in the "save it for critical use" mode. Finally, after waiting another couple of months, I realized that I was never going to use it, and I put it up for sale. I have zero regrets, too. I am sure that will be blasphemy to many Nikon owners, but to be honest with you, I am getting better results from the M43 gear, and enjoying it more, than I was from the Nikon.
    I considered several other MILC cameras before I went with the M43 format. The Sony NEX was the other contender for me, but when I tried them in store I just couldn't get used to the size imbalance between the larger lenses and the smaller body on them, and I didn't care for the user interface much. The Samsung felt slippery in my hands, so M43 it was. I am glad I went with it.
     
  58. Oops, did not mean to submit twice. Here is a photo from the GH2, taken this fall:[​IMG]
     
  59. I am a NEX 3 shooter since may 2011 . The Canon XTi is gathering dust . The other mirrorless is the Canon Powershot G9 .I like it more when I have to go somewhere where I don't want the bulk of NEX + manual lens (I don't have the kit or 16mm) ,the 40/1.8 Konica or 45/2 Minolta being rather small in volume but too long for indoor shooting usually.And it has AF . But high ISO stinks on G9 (and is brilliant on NEX).
    The NEX lack of small compact primes is something that is against the small volume of the camera. The 16 mm is not a walkaround ,and the camera isn.t pocketable .So I am looking towards something else to replace the G9.
    The G1X is too big, the viewfinder is the crappy one on the G9 and the price is huge. But IQ is WOW. I won't go for it.
    I liked the small Nikon J1 . Could be a good option.
     
  60. Oh, I nearly forgot - the Fuji X100 does sweep panorama too. Here is one I took this afternoon...
    [​IMG]
    Hope you like it...
     
  61. I've got an NEX3 and an NEX5, with all three NEX lenses. The 16mm is kept on the NEX3 most of the time, and the 18-200 is kept on the NEX5 most of the time. The 18-55 floats between them. I use the NEX5 for both stills and video, and to make it easier to hold on to it is usually on a light-weight tripod, and sometimes a mini tripod. Examples taken with NEX5:
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    I plan on acquiring an NEX7 (body only) when they are more commonly available, primarily because I already have lenses that will fit on it, and for the 24 Mp sensor and the viewfinder (though by now I've gotten used to composing using the LCD).
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  62. This afternoon I was at the Flowers Street Nguyen Hue in Saigon with only my mirror less. Here are some of it
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  63. Some photographers
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  64. Some flowers
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  65. little girls
    00Ztxq-435411584.jpg
     
  66. Handwriting
    00Ztxr-435413584.jpg
     
  67. Most popular mirror less in VN
    00Ztxv-435417584.jpg
     
  68. They are protecting us
    00Ztxz-435419584.jpg
     
  69. They are posing for some one else
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  70. Wearing glasses
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  71. The year of the dragon
    00ZtyJ-435427584.jpg
     
  72. I have a GF3 and very happy with it.
     
  73. The 16 mm is not a walkaround​
    Don't let conventions fool you, Teo. It's all in the eye of the shooter. My walk around FL is really ~24-35mm (135 equivalent). A 50mm is slight tele for me while 21mm is wide...
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    John, wow! I didn't know you are in Saigon. Maybe, we can have tea or coffee when I goto there next time?
    Janet, I can't agree more with your smaller camera sentiment. I see myself going all just mirrorless within two or three years.
     
  74. NEX5 + Minolta Rokkor lens (17, 24, 50, 85 & 135)

    Considering buy the NEX7, but the OM-D and Xpro-1 both are interesting. :)
     
  75. Got a Nex 5N after upgrading from the Nex 5 (which didnt have enough customisation for me) and find it is my go-to camera instead of my dlsr. Keen to get more info on the Olympus OM-D as always wanted Olympus OM camera back in the old days of film. (The E-P3 sensor not good enough for me.) Will also be interesting to see the rumored Pentax K-01 as well but i wouldnt buy it.
     
  76. I bought a G-1 (red) for my wife who is fussy and likes it a lot, because it can be a P and S and give results. Just set it in iA mode and it does the heavy lifting for you. So last year I bought a GH2 for me, a more sophisiticated offspring of Panasonic. And their sweet 20mm1.7. A great combination, them. The HD video, who can flaw it, is superb, exhilarating to be able to shoot video clips on the fly and intersperse the video with wide still shots with ease. I am now looking at buying the Olympus 45mm 1.8 to pair with the 20 as a grab and go item. Yes, micro four thirds is no slouch, and as first out of the gate it may not have all the tricks that Sony and Fuji will introduce, but it is holding up well....and, incidentally, it will adapt to the 4/3 lenses of which I have a couple nice ones---the 50mm macro is just fine for macro and is not out of balance on the GH2. The computers and menus have more than i can digest so far, but I am learning, and it is fun to find out something new every month on the forums. Just bought a Vello RF trigger so I can get in the photo or sneak up on the birdies... I find that the E-3 Olympus will be more of a studio on tripod camera or for serious occasions when lugging and shlepping are less of a consideration. Or so it says here:) I guess I found that as far as quality of results, the mirrorless micro four thirds forces no comprises for me. None so far anyhow. I have not dropped the camera but I do not drop cameras. Fall on my ribs before that could happen y'know...
    I do not aspire to anything smaller than the GH2 (big fat fingers). Although.......seeing photos and specs of some of the yummy ones you all have mentioned, I must say I can be seduced by the dark side of the force folks/ Or.... " When I am not near the girl i love, I love the girl I'm near..."
    PS. Let us get rid of the goofy" EVIL" designation, Pu-Leeze..Call it anything but that one.. aloha, gs
     
  77. As to the V1's rear screen/EVF you can just turn off the rear screen and use the VF alone as to avoid any lag. Again the soccer mom label. I don't get it. The camera doesn't need a lot of diddling with when shooting. Set the aperture 1 stop down from wide open for most things and be happy. Being silent and very fast it just might be the best digital street camera made.
    00Zu98-435565584.jpg
     
  78. Hi Leslie,
    it is sure "mirrorless" but a bit OT :)
    as you like panorama, here is my Seitz Roundshot "takes up to 720° panos"
    [​IMG]
     
  79. Have you used an X00? Or are you just reading about "slow focus"?
    I have a Canon 1Ds3 so I should be spoiled by fast autofocus. Yet my X100 never bothers me unless shooting in near dark. Focus confirmation is reliable, and always much faster that I can focus with my favorite manual focusing system of all time, a Leica M. Try the X100!
     
  80. Sigma DP2, Foveon rocks
     

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