What to do with old Power PC G5

Discussion in 'Digital Darkroom' started by joe_mcinerney, Dec 21, 2010.

  1. We finally upgraded everything to an Intel Mac due to software constraints. We have a couple of PowerPC G5 towers running Mac OS 10.5.8 with 6GB RAM. Is there anyway that we could use these for backup or storage. What about keeping our iTunes library consolidated on that machine? We only have a tiny 13 inch LCD hooked up to it but its not a work station any more. How can we make it useful for some time longer.?
    Thanks, Joe
     
  2. iTunes or maybe if you need to boot into OS9 for legacy reasons. Otherwise, I usually give such equipment to a non profit or school and take a tax break.
     
  3. Dedicated use for email, downloading/uploading data; developing presentations; and fixing up web (72ppi) graphics are among some of the uses I’ve put on my old PPC Dual 5G.
    All the real heavy duty processing is now under the Intel Macs.
    Cheers!
    I guess using it for music playback, as Andy suggested, isn’t too shabby either.
     
  4. Andrew has a wonderful idea. I'd say give them to a worthy charity.
     
  5. I use my "last generation" computer as a music server/jukebox downstairs. It's on my Wi-Fi net, so I can use it to browse the web, but little else.
    Many charities these days won't accept computers, call first.
    <Chas>
     
  6. It will still make a fine server for file or backup. It isn't dust yet.....
     
  7. We have a couple of PowerPC G5 towers running Mac OS 10.5.8 with 6GB RAM.​
    That's a pretty penny in hardware.
    We finally upgraded everything to an Intel Mac due to software constraints.​
    Funny how this never comes up in the "Mac OS is so wonderful, Windows sucks" threads.
     
  8. Thanks for the info. How do I go about making in file server or media backup? Anything special have to be done.
    Yes, it was a good chunk of change that went into these machines. Served us well and hopefully for a bit longer.
     
  9. Why do you want to keep it? I just did the same, 2006 PPC G5 (OS-X 10.5.8) to a new Mac Pro (OS-X 1.6.5) and 24" cinema montor with a new LED monitor and for the same reasons, no one, not even Apple or Adobe, supports it anymore (many are Intel chip and OS-X 10.6.x only). There's nothing for the PPC to do except take up space. The new Mac runs everything the old PPC did (no app lost, not even Adobe CS2 and CS3 apps) and works with all the peripherals (after new drivers and app updates). Apple has a recycle program you can ship the old PPC and monitor back and they'll recycle it free (you paying shipping of course). I plan to strip all of my files and apps off and send it back (still have the original shipping boxes).
     
  10. I use the iMac G4 I got for free from work when it was surplussed out (saw it on the cart and asked my friend in IT if I could take it home) as an iTunes music server. Have all my CDs (and many many from the local library) archived in Apple Lossless format. We also use it to stream radio stations from around the world. It is hooked up to my HiFi in the living room and it sounds great. I use an inexpensive external USB DAC with it.
    If I had an old G5 tower I'd be tempted to use it as a movie server hooked up to my TV. You can fit massive amounts of storage into a G5 case.
     
  11. We finally upgraded everything to an Intel Mac due to software constraints.
    Funny how this never comes up in the "Mac OS is so wonderful, Windows sucks" threads.​
    It isn’t coming up here because its irrelevant. Software constraints like running modern software (CS5, Lightroom, Capture 1, Bibble) that require an Intel processor! Try running those apps on Intel® Pentium® 3 (ain’t going to run). Those app’s will not run on Windows 95, or OS9, so both suck?
     
  12. Try running those apps on Intel® Pentium® 3 (ain’t going to run).​
    Oh brother. You better get busy. There's hundreds of pages on wikipedia.org that need editing, now. Intel would want to be informed of course.
    When it was beta and free, for giggles I loaded and ran Windows 7 on a P2 with 256 megs of ram. It's older than a P3 in case you're not aware. I don't even know how ancient that P2 was but once it had W7 on it, there's no reason why it wont run any of the above software you say it "ain't going to run". In this day and age of engineered obsolescence, it's marvelous, really. What's even better, is that apps that are nearly 10 years old that I bought for XP 32-bit, load fine today Windows 7 64-bit.
     
  13. What's even better, is that apps that are nearly 10 years old that I bought for XP 32-bit, load fine today Windows 7 64-bit.​
    More irrelevant text.
    So you are saying that CS5, Lightroom, Capture 1, Bibble will run on a non Intel Mac or a Pentium® 3?
     
  14. Are you into the drink? What part of
    ...I loaded and ran Windows 7 on a P2 with 256 megs of ram. It's older than a P3 in case you're not aware. I don't even know how ancient that P2 was but once it had W7 on it, there's no reason why it wont run any of the above software you say it "ain't going to run".​
    didn't you understand?
     
  15. Try running those apps on Intel® Pentium® 3 (ain’t going to run).​
    Why not?
    So you are saying that CS5, Lightroom, Capture 1, Bibble will run on a non Intel Mac or a Pentium® 3?​
    Different from your first challenge. Why are you suddenly including the non-Intel Mac into the equation when we've established a debate about what an Intel P3 will accept vs. what non-Intel Mac wont accept?
     
  16. I loaded and ran Windows 7 on a P2 with 256 megs of ram. It's older than a P3 in case you're not aware. I don't even know how ancient that P2 was but once it had W7 on it, there's no reason why it wont run any of the above software you say it "ain't going to run".​
    WTF has that got to do with anything bud? The facts, the FACTS are, modern software, the software I listed will not run on a PPC chip nor will they run on an old Pentium chip. You once again sabotage a post with your personal dismissal of Mac products by saying Funny how this never comes up in the "Mac OS is so wonderful, Windows sucks" threads. which has squat to do with the OP’s question about what to do with his PPC Mac, then when I point out that your post is irrelevant, you go off into another tangent. WTF has the statement Funny how this never comes up in the "Mac OS is so wonderful, Windows sucks" threads have any useful context here? The facts are, a PPC box can’t run a number of modern applications, end of story!
    Go to http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/photoshop/systemreqs/
    You see the requirements to run CS5? Where do you see it will run on a P2 let alone P3 chip? Or a PPC chip? Dito for http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshoplightroom/systemreqs/ (Lightroom)? Ditto for http://www.phaseone.com/en/Software/Capture-One-Pro-6/Additional/PRO-FAQ.aspx (C1)?
    Seriously you have a reading comprehension problem.
    Do YOU understand?
     
  17. the FACTS are, modern software, the software I listed will not run on a PPC chip nor will they run on an old Pentium chip.​
    Uhm, do you need a new keyboard after that? Like I've been saying, I can load Windows 7 onto a P3 and in turn load CS5, LR, et al. Whether you want to run it or not, is a different matter. But it loads and the only thing that happens is Adobe warns you and says "hey, this is old and slow, doesn't meet our requirements, are you sure you want to continue?" and it loads. Adobe says the same thing for CS4 and LR2 yet I put them on a P3 as well. Everyone, I thought, knows this.
    But no matter what you do, you can't load CS5, LR3 etc onto a relatively new and expensive PPC. You know, the argument that got your knickers in a twist in the first place.
     
  18. anyways Joe, I'd do like Dave Lee says and make it into an entertainment box. Does Apple Tv work on the PPC? Apple Tv is cool and the few people I know with it, love it. Another option is you can load Ubuntu on them and Bibble is available for Ubuntu. Andrew is probably not aware that it's hard to give away obsolete gear for a tax receipt.
     
  19. Wow, this thread quickly eroded to a bunch of completely unrelated posts. If I was a moderator, I'd certainly clean it up a bit...
    To the OP: Your Mac G5 is still plenty useful. 10.5.8 is a superb OS and the G5 tower is a classic design. I used to covet one of these until Apple upgraded to the Intel (faster and cooler CPUs) platform. Ignore all the noise in this thread.
     
  20. Whether you want to run it or not, is a different matter.​
    No, I want to “load” it but have the inability to run the app. Geeze.
    If I was a moderator, I'd certainly clean it up a bit...​
    So would I! Here’s the original question: How can we make it (the PPC) useful for some time longer.?
    Mr.K writes two sentences as he’s done elsewhere, that has zero to do with the OPs question:
    That's a pretty penny in hardware. (so was the first 45mb hard drive I purchased for $950 in 1988 and irrelevant to the OP), and Funny how this never comes up in the "Mac OS is so wonderful, Windows sucks" threads. Not only more irrelevant to the OP’s question but one that appears to have a computer-political slant. Its so typical of the posts he hijacks.
    And they guy doesn’t even support the PhotoNet community financially (not that this would make his hijacking of threads any more bearable).
     
  21. Andrew is probably not aware that it's hard to give away obsolete gear for a tax receipt.​
    Actually I’ve had zero issues doing so over the years, from Mac’s to high end printers (Pictrography 4500, Canon iPf5000, displays). My accountant hasn’t had any issues with this either. Its only hard for people who are not generous and understand what a *501C is and are not so negative about providing useful yet older technology to people who can genuinely use the products. I guess wherever you live, there are no high schools or photo schools who even without a tax deduction would gladly accept this equipment.
    *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)
     
  22. No, I want to “load” it but have the inability to run the app. Geeze.​
    Is that code for "oh, i miss-understood you and you're correct. i'm sorry."?
    If I was a moderator, I'd certainly clean it up a bit...​
    And we'd like you too. Things would be much easier if Andrew could be strong and be wrong. I bet, unlike he claims, it's possible to load CS5 onto a P3 and use it...very slowly.
     
  23. Photoshop CS5 Minimum System Requirements for Windows
    CPU: Intel Pentium 4 or AMD Athlon 64 processor
    Operating System: Windows XP SP3/Windows Vista SP1 /Windows 7
    Memory: 1GB of RAM
    1024×768 display (1280×800 recommended) with qualified hardware-accelerated OpenGL graphics card, 16-bit color, and 256MB of VRAM
    Some GPU-accelerated features require graphics support for Shader Model 3.0 and OpenGL 2.0
    DVD-ROM drive
    QuickTime 7.6.2 software required for multimedia features
    Photoshop CS5 Minimum System Requirements For Mac OS
    CPU: Multicore Intel processor
    Opeating System: Mac OS X v10.5.7 or v10.6
    Memory: 1GB of RAM
    1024×768 display with qualified hardware-accelerated OpenGL graphics card, 16-bit color, and 256MB of VRAM
    Some GPU-accelerated features require graphics support for Shader Model 3.0 and OpenGL 2.0
    DVD-ROM drive
    QuickTime 7.6.2 software required for multimedia features
    You can’t even “load” CS5 on a PPC box (I still have one), the installer will not even install the product! You can “load” the installer. That’s about it K.
     
  24. You can’t even “load” CS5 on a PPC box (I still have one), the installer will not even install the product!​
    I know. My first post here stated this and got you all frothing at the mouth, remember? Regardless of who said it first, that's pretty sad, imo, that such lovely gear is useless to us. I have Mac friends that were forced to update their PS when switching to Intel, or keep their old and be stuck in the mud with rubber boots and the Rosetta emulator. Expensive times. Later on, those that had CS4, had to have 32-bit version and still work really slow as Apple, with no notice to anyone, killed 64-bit Carbon. Slow going in 32-bit. Time is money. And I love how every time Apple soaks you for a $30 "update", all the Epson printers attached to Macs come to a stand still. More time lost. Yeah, wonderful. You never know what Apple is going to do and is no wonder they are an after-thought to the developing community and business world.
    Just like the PPC here, I have a 6 year old Pentium P4 that also cost me a bomb years ago. The difference is, it is running a current OS, Win7 64-bit, just fine. I'm not entirely certain how old of an OS it can accept. But safe to day it can take Win 98, 2000, XP, XP 64, Vista, Vista 64, Server 2003, Server 2008, W7, W7 64-bit. I probably left one or two out but who cares. The point being, it still runs CS5 and all my expensive plugins I've bought over the years.
    I really don't care what color my computer is or which OS is between the power button and photoshop. I'd take Linux in a second flat. But whatever it is, just has to demonstrate compatibility and give me confidence that my software investment will still work years later. Apple doesn't give us that.
    You can “load” the installer. That’s about it K.​
    Lol. That's not about it? Give it up, you're out of your territory again. I'll say it again. I bet I can run CS5 on a P3. Are you arguing that we can't?
     
  25. Regardless of who said it first, that's pretty sad, imo, that such lovely gear is useless to us.​
    Its not useless! The OP stated clearly We finally upgraded everything to an Intel Mac due to software constraints. As requested by the OP, some of us have provided ideas to its use outside running software that doesn’t have constraints. Use it for iTunes server, email or as I suggested and you dismissed, giving it to a charity or school that would be thrilled to have it.
    I have Mac friends that were forced to update their PS when switching to Intel, or keep their old and be stuck in the mud with rubber boots and the Rosetta emulator.​
    Forced? No more forced than I was when my original Photoshop machine (a IIci back in 1990 for running Photoshop 1.0.7) had to be upgraded over the years. I supposed your PC friends didn’t have to be forced the same way? Apple=bad, PC=OK (maybe even good).
    And I love how every time Apple soaks you for a $30 "update", all the Epson printers attached to Macs come to a stand still.​
    More utter nonsense of simplistic black and white, Mac (Epson) bigotry we’ve know to expect from your keyboard. Apple=Bad. DNG=terrorist.
    I bet I can run CS5 on a P3.​
    So you don’t know. That’s typical of you. You want to also bet you can’t even install CS5 on a PPC machine? Again, you don’t know and apparently have no way to test it.
    As I’ve said often to you (a point you never seem to get), you are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts. Unfortunately you have a bad habit of doing just that. I think I’ve figured you out, you’re certainly not a photographer, I think you must write science fiction for a living.
    So do you have anything useful to say to the OP or will you continue to go way OT and hijack this post as you’ve do so often? The territory I’m happily out of is the idiotic mindset you have developed!
     
  26. So you don’t know. That’s typical of you.​
    Lol. You're hilarious when you sink. Staying on topic in our off-topic argument, are you saying that I can't load CS5 onto a P3? Answer the question. You state it "aint gonna run" just like it wont run on a PPC. Do you stand by those words?
     
  27. What part of the Adobe Minimum System requirements above don’t you understand? The word minimum? System? Requirements?
     
  28. This is the third time I've had to ask. Instead of ignoring the question at hand, how about you just answer it?
     
  29. Unlike you* (for whatever reason) I answer your silly questions. Why you keep using the term “load” when the word I’ve used is RUN, the answer is no, you cannot run CS5 on hardware that does not meet the minimum hardware requirements. As I stated and will say again, because your ability to understand written English is flawed, you can’t even INSTALL CS5 on a PPC machine. I know because I have both. You bet you can load (whatever that means) CS5 on a P3. Don’t bet, install CS5 and launch it on a P3. Yes or no, can you do this? And even if you can (and I want actual proof), it has zero to do with the OP’s question, and its pretty clear in the paper trail above, you’ve hijacked yet another post here and supplied zero useful data points to the OP unless somewhere he’s asked you your personal feelings about the cost of older hardware and how funny how this never comes up in the "Mac OS is so wonderful, Windows sucks" threads. You see anyone asking about either? Nope. OT hijacked editorial from Mr. K once again.
    *So you are saying that CS5, Lightroom, Capture 1, Bibble will run on a non Intel Mac or a Pentium® 3? Instead of ignoring the question at hand, how about you just answer it?
     
  30. the answer is no, you cannot run CS5 on hardware that does not meet the minimum hardware requirements.​
    You're mistaken.
    Yes or no, can you do this?​
    It's at the point where I have to copy and paste my own posts. I've loaded Windows 7 onto an older computer than a P3. I then loaded CS4 and LR2. To spell it out, that's on hardware that does not meet the minimum hardware requirements of Adobe either. I'm confident it will all go onto a newer P3 as well. I'll gladly buy a P3 off of Craigslist just to do it and rub your nose in it.
     
  31. K: I bet I can run CS5 on a P3.
    AR: So you are saying that CS5, Lightroom*, Capture 1, Bibble will run on a non Intel Mac or a Pentium® 3?
    K: I've loaded Windows 7 onto an older computer than a P3. I then loaded CS4 and LR2.​
    LR2 and CS4? Try reading the text above, with those characters called numbers.
    Breaking news for Mr.K, the Minimum System Requirements for LR2 and CS4 are not the same as for LR3* and CS5.
    I'm confident it will all go onto a newer P3 as well.​
    I’m not confident and you’ve yet to prove or answer the question addressed to you repeatedly and very specifically. But then I’m confident you can’t.
    I'll gladly buy a P3 off of Craigslist just to do it and rub your nose in it.​
    Good, I’ll await your testing as requested.
    *LR version 3 as indicated by the URL of Minimum System Requirements I posted above: http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshoplightroom/systemreqs/
     
  32. I then loaded CS4 and LR2​
    Are we to understand the term loaded means you installed and actually launched the software?
     
  33. Garrison said:
    "When it was beta and free, for giggles I loaded and ran Windows 7 on a P2 with 256 megs of ram."
    That's interesting. Microsoft specifies 1 GHz and 1 GB RAM as the minimum requirement for Windows 7. I think the fastest P2 processor was only 450 MHz.
    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/system-requirements.aspx
    Google tells me that someone did manage to install Windows 7 on a P2 (266 MHz) with 96 MB RAM. Wonder whether he managed to run any apps too. According to PC World, boot time for Windows 7 can be as much as 17 minutes on a P3 system.
    http://www.pcworld.com/article/166992/windows_7_hits_a_new_low.html
    "Although he didn't say how long it took him to install or boot the operating system, other forum users have chimed in and timed the installation for a Pentium III-based system at a low 17 continuous hours. And the boot time? 17 minutes."
     
  34. I'm unsure if there's a point in your post, Songtsen? Cool name, btw. But I'll point you to the windows seven forum (with successful installs of W7 on P2's and P3's), and they'll gladly help you.
    http://www.sevenforums.com/performance-maintenance/11624-oldest-dinosaur-running-win7-3.html
     
  35. Microsoft specifies 1 GHz and 1 GB RAM as the minimum requirement for Windows 7​
    In the alternative universe Mr.K resides, that doesn’t matter. The minimum system requirements I posted were equally ignored due to this I’m sure. I did see something interesting in the quote you pasted: "When it was beta and free, for giggles I loaded and ran Windows 7 on a P2 with 256 megs of ram."
    It does appear he uses the term loaded and ran as being different, begging the question I asked above. Loading an app on a system that a manufacturer says is not within the minimum requirements appears to be something he thinks is useful, running that application is apparently a different story.
    I'm unsure if there's a point in your post, Songtsen?​
    I believe he’s asking you, as I have a simple question that you appear to wish to ignore. Are we to understand the term loaded means you installed and actually launched (RUN) the software? And to add further, run the software (CS5) and actually opening an image? What size? What functions (like applying a few filters) were you able to apply?
     
  36. Oh Mr Grinch, it's Christmas. At the end of the day, it matters not that you're mistaken that using CS5 on a P3 is a possibility. What matters is, providing we can get back to my original comment of course, is that we mostly definitely can use CS5 on a PC of the same vintage as the PPC in discussion.
    Happy Holidays.
     
  37. What matters is, providing we can get back to my original comment of course, is that we mostly definitely can use CS5 on a PC of the same vintage as the PPC in discussion.​
    I have a simple question that you appear to wish to ignore. Confirmed again!
     
  38. At the end of the day, it matters not that you're mistaken that using CS5 on a P3 is a possibility.​

    Then prove that possibility or go away. It only matters because you said you could do it, that you seem to totally dismiss the Minimum System Requirements of several companies as if it were a severing suggestion. You said you bet you can do it, then said you'd go out and buy a P3 on Craigslist and rub my noise in the results, providing the ammo we need to see you don't even own the system to test your bet. In the odd universe you have developed inside your head, facts are unnecessary and ignored, questions asked of you are dismissed and ignored. At this point in the conversation (giving far too much credit to your posts here by using that word), and the due to the pointless introduction to this thread you posted, seems there is no reason to continue. Its not fair of my time and that of the poor readers here!
    If and when you get a P3 and if and when you install and launch Photoshop CS5 it, and when you let us know if you can open an image (with some info about that image), the grownups here are going to have to dismiss your rants as either that of a delusional soul or compulsive lier. Or a small boy who has taken possession of his parents computer without their permission.
    I apologize to the OP (who I tried to help) and others here who had to read through the hijacking of the post, started by an anonymous poster with an agenda. Lets get this back OT or move on.
     
  39. Then prove that possibility or go away​
    What is my motivation for lying to the good people of PN?
    You already look foolish. Are you sure you want to continue down this path? I already said I'd find a P3 and do it. You don't need to keep talking to yourself in the meantime.
    It only matters because you said you could do it, that you seem to totally dismiss the Minimum System Requirements of several companies...​
    "I" seem to dismiss? Wow. Considering your depth of knowledge about a couple niche topics in regards to color management, your ignorance in other areas is beyond astonishing. Remember, you also said Windows 7 couldn't be installed on P2 and P3's because of min system requirements. Maybe I was lying there as well, yet there's link to a forum full of people.
     
  40. I already said I'd find a P3 and do it​
    Then do it! Enough said.
    Remember, you also said Windows 7 couldn't be installed on P2 and P3's because of min system requirements.​
    I never said that. What’s your native language? I’ll attempt to translate into it because you apparently are having difficultly with English. Please show us above, where I said Windows 7 couldn't be installed on P2 and P3's because of min system requirements. You already look foolish.
     
  41. Then do it!​
    Tough concept, for you, I suppose. But it's Christmas. Some have a life and aren't in a hurry to show a $50 P3 to a stranger on CL.
     
  42. I know you’ll take your time Mr.K and I fully suspect you’ll blow the entire thing off, other than being proven wrong (your typical M.0.) Just like you dismissing my request for you to tell us (just minutes ago) to show us where I said something you say I wrote which I didn’t.
    Try to read and comprehend this sentence: Please show us above, where I said Windows 7 couldn't be installed on P2 and P3's because of min system requirements.
    Then there are the other important questions you conveniently ignore: Yes or no, can you do this?
    Or: Are we to understand the term loaded means you installed and actually launched the software?

    If I can’t get you to answer simple questions, what hope do we have that you’ll actually do as you promise and get that P3 at anytime in the future, get a copy of CS5 (which I suspect you don’t have) and prove me wrong.


    OK, I’m done. We’ll await answers to questions posed and testing on equipment yet owned. This gives you the opportunity to get in the last word although I suspect it will have zero to do with any of the questions above. Its just not in your nature.
     
  43. ...actually do as you promise and get that P3 at anytime in the future, get a copy of CS5 (which I suspect you don’t have) and prove me wrong.​
    I own CS5 Master Collection. But I'll attempt this little challenge with trial versions of PS and LR downloaded from the net. Nevertheless, if I do succeed? What's the wager? The loser stays of PN for a month?
     
  44. I'll attempt this little challenge with trial versions of PS and LR downloaded from the net.​
    Why that makes a difference is another of your mysteries since you say you own CS5 master. You know how to install Adobe Apps on multiple machines and handle activation and deactivation? That you bring this up is another red herring and area to place suspect upon.
    Nevertheless, if I do succeed? What's the wager?​
    Right... first, find a way for a third party here to verify you can do it. Then we’ll talk wager (which was initially your idea: I bet I can run CS5 on a P3). And having you answer the numerous questions posed to you over and over again would be so refreshingly honest (something you’re not known for). Plus apologizing for writing I said something I didn’t (which you continue to ignore). With your history, you have a lot of Chutzpah to want to wager a bet when your antics are so unseemly! You actually expect me to believe you after all these posts without following the time honored “Trust by Verify” mantra?
     
  45. Chicken.
     
  46. The G5 Towers have lots of life left. Maybe you can't run latest CS5 etc. but you can run earlier versions and you can run scan software as well if you scan, you can do all the things you do, just use your older software. It can be more than just storage, still good computers. But the idea of donating them is pretty good to. There's a lot of places that could use them.
     
  47. Using Barry’s suggestion for a scan station makes a lot of sense if you scan. Under 64-bit OS X, TWAIN is no longer, so if your scanner has such an interface, you’ll want a beefy machine for scanning and this would fit the bill. And if you have legacy software that will only run under OS9, this would be a good fit. That’s why I’m keeping my G4 around, there are occasional cases where I need to run OS9 and really old software.
     
  48. It will still make a fine server for file or backup. It isn't dust yet.....​
    Here’s a timely piece on the subject:
    http://www.macworld.com/article/155589/2010/11/old_mac_backup_server.html
     
  49. Funny how this never comes up in the "Mac OS is so wonderful, Windows sucks"
    threads.


    Maybe it never comes up because the same thing exists for both OS's. Try
    running Windows 7 on a computer you purchased 10 years ago.​
    Kevin, if you read the thread before posting, or used google, you'd know it's clearly possible. But running new Windows OS on old PC gear isn't what my comment or the thread is about. It's about what to do with an expensive 3 or 4 year old Mac that is now redundant for CS5 and wont be used. Right?
     
  50. "... if you read the thread before posting, or used google, you'd know it's clearly possible."
    Garrison, I haven't been able to find anything on Google about using CS5 on a Pentium 3 PC. The guys on the seven forum you linked to earlier don't seem interested in running any programs (other than Windows Experience Index) on their older hardware.
    Please provide a link to a website or forum thread where someone has actually demonstrated that "it's clearly possible".
     
  51. Songsten, neither Kevin or I is talking about using CS5 on a P3. Kevin posted
    Maybe it never comes up because the same thing exists for both OS's. Try
    running Windows 7 on a computer you purchased 10 years ago.​
    And in which I replied to him
    "... if you read the thread before posting, or used google, you'd know it's clearly possible."
     
  52. Sorry. Why did I assume you were still talking about CS5 and P3-based systems?!
    By the way, have you managed to get it working on a P3 system yet?
     
  53. Sorry. Why did I assume you were still talking about CS5 and P3-based systems?!​
    At one point he was. He actually bet me he could. I didn’t want to embarrass him more than he’s embarrassed himself. Update, I emailed John Nack and Chris Cox at Adobe last night with this:
    Hey Andrew,
    Sorry, no.
    Happy New Year to you, too,
    J.
    On Jan 2, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Andrew Rodney wrote:
    Happy new year guys. Hope you are doing well.
    Quick question to settle a bet. Is there any possibility that CS5 can be installed and run on a Pentium 3 chip? I’ve seen the minimum system requirements, but I have to ask.
    TX!
    Andrew
    Waiting on a reply from Chris who is one of the senior engineers there (John’s the product manager).
    Least we forget the famous quite above:
    At the end of the day, it matters not that you're mistaken that using CS5 on a P3 is a possibility.​
    Of course we’ll be told John and later Chris there are wrong. So I’m ready to see that live web demo from Mr.K running CS5 on a Pentium 3 system, once of course it arrives from Craigslist.
    I'll gladly buy a P3 off of Craigslist just to do it and rub your nose in it.​
    All our noses are ready sir.
     
  54. By the way, have you managed to get it working on a P3 system yet?​
    I thought I was in luck and got it going on a Dell laptop built in 2004. Although the chipset it's below the P4 min system requirements as per Adobe, it's also above the performance of a P3 for the challenge here. So the hunt continues and I haven't found one yet, Songsten. The couple P3's that I have come across on CL have had their original hard drives and would be too small. I'm hoping to come across one that someone has upgraded the drive to a 40 or 60 gig. Besides, Andrew's chicken and not into a friendly wager to shut his yap for a month and accept my bet, so I'm not in that much of a hurry. He does sound scared and nervous though, doesn't he?
    Consulting my #1 tech guru, he says that Adobe might have code in there to read the bios and then possibly reject the install. But he also says it's partly ridiculous for anyone to read the min system requirements and feel it's written in stone when most of the time the min system requirements are simply there to safe-guard and protect the software developer from consumer complaints of poor performance if the requirements are not followed. On the other hand, he says, he can often still install if the requirements are not met and simply put up with the sluggishness. Examples would be W7 and CS4 running on a P2; neither of which meet MS or Adobe's min system requirements either.
     
  55. I’ll take you on the wager, but you have to provide a way for us to verify the machine is a Pentium 3, that its running Photoshop CS5. Hence the bit about some kind of live web video (no Photoshop, or Premier editing), a live demo that you did what you say you did.
    Your #1 tech guy (and you) might want to actually talk with someone inside Adobe, as I have. Believe it or not, they actually know a thing or two about their products!
     
  56. You might be right, I may have to take a breather from PN. That's okay though, I don't have a fragile ego as I wonder the hallways of PN with a puffed-out-chest, Andrew. I can accept being wrong. It makes you strong. You should try it. Besides, I grin with the last laugh as I'm not the one with a 4 year old uber expensive computer that can't run CS5.
     
  57. You might be right, I may have to take a breather from PN.​
    So no P3 CS5 test all of a sudden? Wager is off?
    Look, do yourself a favor. First, if you want, see if you can run CS5 on this hardware as others have told you, you can’t just so you can see that you should test stuff first before puffing out your chest and making posts like: I’ll rub your nose in it. I bet I can run CS5 on a P3. Are you arguing that we can't? Andrew's chicken, At the end of the day, it matters not that you're mistaken that using CS5 on a P3 is a possibility.etc. You sure are sure of your facts which are almost just opinions and in this case, backed up with no actual data points.
    Now, if you can’t, and you want to admit that, apologize (or not), and don’t want to exile yourself from PhotoNet, fine with me. I’d far prefer better behavior out of you, less doggie posturing and false claims from you most or all of the time rather than your normal behavior here after a month of silence! You really don’t have to do anything more than express your opinion as just an opinion and not try to pass it off as some kind of fact, then when called to back up the fact, get all pissy. Its OK for you to have the opinion about Adobe products, or Mac’s, or DNG, everyone has an opinion like they have a you-know-what. I would not challenge you on an opinion, you are fully entitled to one. I will challenge you on your own made up facts so why not just express an opinion and be done?
    But if you want to go the length of being foolish, or continue to demand, without any proof, that you can run CS5 on a P3, I can’t stop you. Better would be to take just a moment of time before replying to a post here and ask yourself, should I express a strong opinion and try to pass it off as a fact or should I just make it an opinion. If I have something to say I feel is factual, actually ensure its factual to the best of your ability, something clearing now shown here in terms of the CS5/P3 comments. People will take you more seriously and find your posts more useful.
    Andrew. I can accept being wrong. It makes you strong.​
    No, it makes you smarter! I (and you too) shouldn’t concern ourselves with being strong, we should concern ourselves with learning new things. I’ve been wrong a heck of a lot of times. I don’t mind admitting it either, not to be strong, but to learn from being wrong.
    Besides, I grin with the last laugh as I'm not the one with a 4 year old uber expensive computer that can't run CS5.​
    IF its important to you to grin with the last laugh, so be it, enjoy the moment. I don’t understand the point about not being the one with a 4 year old uber expensive machine that can’t run CS5 or how that has anything to do with anything. Do you think the sentence is again a useful comment? Or more ego issues? Was it necessary to post other than to make yourself feel better? Really, you should be asking yourself some of these questions (and why you are so embarrasses to share your work, what you do outside of posting here etc). When you say you don’t have a fragile ego, I think, and its just my opinion, the opposite may be true.
     

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