Troll Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark-j Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 It looks like a collapsible 50 Elmar. E Leitz, Leica Thread Mount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 Definitely not an Elmar! Could it be a 50mm Hektor? Why is there a 90 mm mask over the viewfinder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_van_Nooij Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 My guess it's something Soviet-era Perspective might be throwing me off, but it looks too long for a 50mm f/3.5 Industar. That would explain the viewfinder mask. But what it could be I'm not sure yet. 73,85,90?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Bowes Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 How about a focused picture so we can read the lens barrel ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_van_Nooij Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 The camera strikes me as being a Zorki 1 (model C) , if the lens is a 50mm it's likely an Industar-22 that was mated with it. There were screw on Viewfinder masks for the Zorki (held in place by the cover screw for the horizontal RF adjustment) But I've never seen a collapsible tele for Zorkis or FEDs though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 How about a focused picture so we can read the lens barrel ? If I could read it, I wouldn't have to ask here. The image was taken from an AHC TV program (TV screen) about Hitler, I can't improve on what is shown. Sorry. (It's bugging the hell out of me!) Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian1664876441 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I also believe it to be an Industar-22, looking at my Industar-22 on a IIIc. The Aperture Ring is different from the Elmar, and the Focus Knob comes up at a different angle than the Elmar. I also compared side by side with my Uncoated Elmar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Generally, movies props are doing well when they come even close to resembling a real, contemporary camera. Enemy at the Gates (2002) but supposed to be in 1943: What is the LF press camera, I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhooru Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Could it be a Hecktor 90? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_van_Nooij Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I don't think Leitz ever made a 90mm Hektor, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_van_Nooij Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Generally, movies props are doing well when they come even close to resembling a real, contemporary camera. The NKVD officer in White Tiger also had a de-chromed Zorki (which of course failed at the crucial moment :D ) I've got a screen shot of it somewhere. Hollywood also has plenty of goofs by the way. Approximately 90 seconds worth of blank frames in this case :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhooru Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 I don't think Leitz ever made a 90mm Hektor, though. You are correct, would have to be either a 50 or a 135. Could be the 50. I don't think it is but might be an Elmar 90. I keep thinking 90 only because the angle of the photo has a foreshortened perspective so looks longer than 50. But really can't tell. I'm just trying to make a hopefully at least semi-educated guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen_h Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Interesting. The first one that comes up in a Google search for Elmar 90 is this one: https://kenrockwell.com/leica/90mm-f4-macro.htm but a little farther down is this one: Leica 90mm f4 Elmar( Collapsible BM) Lens Nr. 1386371 | eBay -- glen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 From the position of the focusing stop it is obviously a very early, probably non-coupled, lens. Certainly NOT a bayonet mount. I still wonder if it's a 50mm Hektor, or possibly a non-Leitz lens. The viewfinder mask suggests a 90mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen_h Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 The collapsing distance of 50mm Elmars is less than the filter diameter. From the picture, this one is more, so I am pretty sure isn't a 50mm lens. -- glen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonsignore_ezio Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 I'm an absolute zero as regards Leicas and derivatives, but I nonetheless finds this type of discussions absolutely fascinating. This said, I would suggest the viewfinder's mask is the best indication. There is no way the guy in charge of rummaging out an epoch-appropriate camera for a movie about Hitler would bother to locate and affix a tele mask if it was not already there. And if it is was there, then it is very unlikely that the camera had a non-appropriate lens. So, if the consensus seems to be that this is a mask for a 90mm lens, then the camera does have a 90mm lens. As to which lens... There is something rather weird, though: the photo suggests a collapsible lens, but there is no way that (apparent?) length of tube could be retracted inside the camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen_h Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (snip) There is something rather weird, though: the photo suggests a collapsible lens, but there is no way that (apparent?) length of tube could be retracted inside the camera. Do a web search for 90mm collapsible elmar and many pictures will come up. It doesn't go all the way in, but at least enough that the case can close over it. The front of the front element might be 100mm from the back of the camera, and might collapse by 40mm, leaving 60mm from the front to back. From the pictures, the collapse distance is about equal to the filter diameter, where for 50mm lenses it is much less. -- glen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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