john_robinson7 Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 sorry if this is a silly question, why does the leaica R9 have Betriesbk wrote on the back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_gifford Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 see, for example, this link: www.kbcamera.com/mpbetriebsk.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob F. Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 My question is, if they are for internal use, then what are they doing out on the open market? Does MP, in this case, stand for Midnight Procurement? Wasn't there a recent thread for an M7 betriebsk as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
._._z Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 It's a synonym for fahrvegnugen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socke Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 that link is incredible! Golden lenses! And then there are those Canon 10d and Nikon D100 owners who fear theft due to the word digital on the camera strap :-) So what would I do with nearly $12000, probably I'd buy a nice user M6ttl and a Tri Elmar, a ton of XP2, another ton Royal Gold and a trip to Rio :-) Ok, and some L Zooms for my D60. And come to think of that, a shoping trip to London to get a Hadley, finaly Still shaking my head Volker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_robinson7 Posted March 30, 2004 Author Share Posted March 30, 2004 Rob this is exactly what I am thinking. What does this mean if someone buys a camera with this wrote on the back/top? Should it have been sold from a shop? I know this question could be put forward to leica and they would probably have a suitable answer but just wondered if anyone here knew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
art waldschmidt Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Z, Or maybe "fahrvergnuegen"(?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger_michel Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 these cameras are given to employees (who are free to resell them), distributors (ditto), and/or high volume dealers. as for the sanity of the people who buy them on the open market for high -- yet always market-defined -- prices, is collecting rare cameras different than collecting rare coins, stamps, etc?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_robinson7 Posted March 30, 2004 Author Share Posted March 30, 2004 Thanx for the answers guys, I did a search but spelt it wrong! that explains why nothing came up. Fahrvergnuegen means driving pleasure I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_thistle Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 It means "Over priced" in German, only kidding. I've recently seen past mentions on this board of these models selling for less than new models w/shorter passports. Is Leica merely placing the Betriesbk tag line on "Demo" pieces that have been used by distributors, large retailers, etc. Nice ploy if they are, after all I guess Betriesbk means "Demo Model" I've saved thousands in the past 15 years buying "Demo" Hassy gear, backs, lenses, etc. It comes w/a little shorter warranty but have never really seen any real dif between "Demo" and "New" except the price point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_rybolt Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 The letter that I got from leica was somewhat confusing. The word means "factory camera" as I understand it. Nowhere in any communication from leica did it say that it was meant to be a Demo unit. in fact, there were certain guidelines that dealers needed to follow if they advertised it. I got one of the M7's simply because it was less expensive than the regular catalog number of the same item. It actually was very well engraved just in front of the hot shoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Blackwell Images Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 I disagree with Jack. These cameras are deemed as "test cameras" out of Solms, Germany and distributed to dealers for display or sale. The great thing about these cameras is that the dealers don't have to advertise (or sell) them at the manufactures advertised price (or �MAP�). In my view, it�s a bargain (some are selling $300 below MAP) limited production camera with a PASSPORT warranty. If I needed another body, I would have already acquired one! “When you come to a fork in the road, take it ...” – Yogi Berra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob haight Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Must be a mistake, I failed to receive my factory camera from Leica and I thought I was on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel rufer Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 "Betriebsk" most likely means "Betriebskamera" (which in english would be "factory camera") and thus designate - as written in the article - an internal (test) camera.<br> An alternative would be "Betriebskontrolle" meaning "factory control" or "function control" (the word "Betrieb" can mean both factory or Use/Function), thus again designating a camera meant for (internal) testing and control.<p> Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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