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<p>I wanted to know what other wedding photographers are doing for wedding reception lighting. For almost a year, I have been shooting weddings with the use of only one flash that I have to keep on camera. I bounce it off the ceiling using a Gary Fong collapseable dome. I don't unnecessarily hate the results I get, especially when I sometimes get help from the constant lights setup by videographers who point the light towards the dance floor, but I think it's time to upgrade...</p>

<p>I wanted to get into using more lights to illuminate the reception and wanted to know what I should be looking to purchase in order to get things done right.</p>

<p>I've been toying with the idea of buying speedlites, more specifically, I wanted to place a speedlite in a softbox next to the dj, stage, or in a corner of the room, then use an on camera flash for fill light. </p>

<p>I know some people use just the bounce card for fill light, but what do they do if they want to shoot a vertical shot? How would you avoid blasting the person trying to dance next to you with a blinding burst of light?</p>

<p>What techniques are you guys using to light up a reception? And what do you do to also get shots that make it obvious that there is a party going on with ambient/party lights (purple, green, blue dj spotlights) while keeping subjects properly exposed?</p>

 

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I set up at least 2 room lights, hooked to radio slaves. I'm using White Lightnings. They sell kits, including very well made light stands and radio slaves.

 

I don't like speedlites unless you hook them up to something like a Quantum battery and again you need radio slaves. Your speedlite batteries die and won't recycle in a split second.

 

The room lights should be your fill lights. Your camera should be your main light in most conditions.

 

I like to set up the room lights as though you are shooting portraits. I use a Minolta Flash Meter 4F. If you don't use a flash meter you are taking chances of overexposing. I've had my flash for 23 years and it's still dead on within 1/10th of an F-stop. For example if you are around F8 and F11, well the meter will register a much more exact reading such as F8.3.

 

The photo below was taken at night - darkout and it was outside. I used 4 lights and this is the reason why the flowers pop instead of going black behind the B&G. Notice the evenness of the lighting with the couples faces.

 

I hear good things about Gary Fongs bouncing units. For me I hate them because it changes the color of white dresses and the faces of people. So when you are doing photoshop work the face tones of everyone are all over the place, mainly too warm. You have to color correct a lot of images and there's little consistency. Thus the reason why I gave mine away.

 

I do NOT crank up the ASA/ISO on the camera because you pick up a lot of weird colors. None of which are flattering. Almost always I never go over an ISO of 640. 400 is my normal setup. I have some pretty powerful camera body strobes. Up to 400 watt seconds if needed. If needed, which has never happened I can crank out 800 watt second strobes.

 

The White Lightning strobe unit's I have are 1800 watts. My settings are at an 1/8 to 3/4s of power, if I use umbrellas. I prefer white 60 inch umbrellas. Silver looks like the sun. Too reflective. The gold is nice but it throws off the room light. I have been known to add 6 or more lights and add barn doors to control the light direction.

 

There are no rules where you should set up 1 light or 6 lights. The most lights I've ever used were 8. The hall was huge and it was divided with the ladies on one side and the guys on the other side, split down the middle of the hall.

 

Some people aim their lights at the dance floor. That's OK I guess, however you can nuke the floor if you are careless. I prefer lighting up the dark areas of the room so you get a nice balance of lighting. This is your personal call. Whatever type of lighting you like best.<div>00bu9r-541867584.jpg.d0d92ccfd671e2320827a494a7cebde5.jpg</div>

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You can also get very creative such as with this cake. The second flash was off to the far right side. The on camera flash was set about 2 stops under the strobe of the right using barn doors for exact light control.

 

As you can see there's no rules. Just be careful and remember what works well for you and your clients.

 

It's about 3 AM. I need sleep!

 

Hope this helps

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<p>Hi Keif, the question you ask is a very broad subject.</p>

<p><strong>At one end of the spectrum of choices is the technique of "dragging the shutter" and using a TTL on-camera speed-light for fill. Basically, you set the camera to manual and select both the shutter speed and aperture to register the background ambient, and the speed-light does the rest.</strong></p>

<p>Today's higher ISO capable DSLRs allows a combination of selecting a higher ISO combined with a slower shutter speed to register the background ambient light better, while the TTL speed-light fills the subject. Motion of the foreground subject is somewhat mitigated because the speed-light's duration of flash is so fast. If you find that the subject is getting to little or to much light, you then compensated the flash up or down. However, for the most part, today's TTL speed-light will get it pretty close.</p>

<p>The above technique is one way to register the ambient "party" lighting. The downside is that higher ISO files are still lower quality it terms of color rendition and possible noise compared to lower ISO files. </p>

<p><strong>At the other end of the spectrum of choices is the use of off-camera speed-light(s) or a studio strobe on a stand to lift the over-all ambient light level and provide directional light on the subject rather than flat, head on lighting with heavily tungsten/mercury vapor tainted backgrounds ... especially when they dial down the overheads. </strong></p>

<p>This technique often allows use of a lower ISO for better quality files, a faster shutter speed, and even a more stopped down aperture depending on how powerful the off-camera lighting is. </p>

<p>Commonly, this can be combined with an on-camera TTL speed-light ... so the off-camera lighting is the key directional light and the on-camera is for fill ... again, controllable by using the compensation controls on the on-camera speed-light.</p>

<p>This method produces very nice color across the whole image because the key light and on-camera light are the same color temperature (daylight), and can be crisp in rendering subjects front to back because you can stop down more. The downside is that less of the party lights are registered ... if using a more powerful studio type strobe then there often won't be any party light ambient at all.</p>

<p>Personally, I use both techniques. Some shots to capture the party ambience, some to render the subject in the best light possible. The DJs lights can be cool or can be a nightmare of color blotches on the subject's face ... green being particularly gruesome looking.</p>

<p>There is more to this, but as a start I hope this helps a little.</p>

<p>- Marc</p>

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<p>Some good advice by Bob and Marc. </p>

<p>Every venue is different, so there is no "one size fits all" when it comes to lighting. Some assignments can be more difficult than others. Most brides/grooms/families want to "see" themselves at the event, so I keep ambient light shots to a minimum. A few well-timed, drag-the-shutter shots can suffice for showing the ambiance of the venue.</p>

<p>Like Bob, I rarely shoot above ISO 800, preferring ISO 400 for nearly everything. To light verticals with an on-camera flash requires a bit of gymnastics, but you can point the flash head up and just hold your hand behind the flash to bounce some light onto the subject. This is a work-around, not a technique. I prefer two floor mounted lights on opposite sides of the venue, fired remotely and then use a very depowered on-board flash for fill.</p>

<p>Here's a particularly difficult lighting situation for a wedding I shot in December of last year. The venue was really dark in the main ballroom, and much more lit in the outer room where a large Christmas tree was located. The bride and groom really wanted some of the shots with the tree in the background. So, dragging the shutter and depowering the on-board flash for fill was the method I used. I was pleased with the results, especially considering how dark the venue was.</p>

<p>Here the groom dances with his mother.</p><div>00buAN-541868884.JPG.443413355e45696270cad1c73636e957.JPG</div>

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<p>Nice shots Bob and Mark!</p>

<p><strong>To elaborate with examples illustrating the extremes in my post above</strong> ... here is a shot demonstrating "Dragging the Shutter" in concert with a higher ISO to record more of what the ambient scene actually looked like. A very dark reception situation where the lights were lowered so the DJ's "Party Lights" could be seen by all.</p>

<p>Manually set exposure: <em>Sony A900, ZA 24-70/2.8 set to 24mm f/2.8, <strong>1/20th shutter speed, using ISO 1,000</strong> ... on-camera speed-light set to TTL with no compensation. </em><br>

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<p><strong>Now here is an example of the other extreme, using a studio strobe as key light</strong>, and an on-camera TTL speed-light for fill ... all done in an even darker reception situation that the example above.</p>

<p>The strobe was mounted on a "mobile pole" with a 27" Silver & Gold Octa Box modifier on the strobe head, powered by a small Profoto Acute 600B Lithium battery pack set to about 320 W/s of power (the equivalent of at least 4 speed-lights set to full power).</p>

<p>My assistant was moving around into positions I indicated with hand signals ... in this case, camera right slightly behind the subjects to provide a true sense of 3D modeling on the subjects.</p>

<p>Manual exposure: <em>Sony A900, ZA 24-70/2.8 set to 24mm f/4.5, 1/50th shutter speed, ISO 400 ... TTL on-camera speed-light, no compensation.</em></p>

<p>This example showed better skin tones and color right out of the camera (no fussing with color balance and skin tones in post), more depth-of-field, no noise, zero motion blur and is crisp even in the 20" wide print in their album.</p>

<p>- Marc</p><div>00buB6-541870084.jpg.2491cdb1a08c40832e4e7b34d08bf3d2.jpg</div>

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<p>If you are looking for off-camera lighting that is lower demand ... there are a number of options to select from.</p>

<p><strong>Radio:</strong> Many wedding shooters use what is called a shoot through TTL radio transmitter. It mounts in your hot shoe, and then the speed-light mounts on top of it. The on-camera flash then retains its' TTL capability while the radio transmitter triggers the matching receiver that has another speed-light mounted in its' hot shoe. You can mount this to a stand, or on the foot thingy that camera with your speed-light. </p>

<p>I've used the Phottix Stratos II versions of these type radio kits for 2 wedding seasons now with no issues. These 2 unit kits are available from Amazon in Canon, Nikon and Sony TTL versions for about $100.</p>

<p>http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Phottix+</p>

<p>This is a basic recommendation ... the Phottix is one of many new radio solutions now available. If you want to have the off-camera light to also be TTL, that costs more ... and actually isn't all that great IMHO and direct experience. I prefer setting the off-camera light level manually.</p>

<p><strong>If you already have a couple of speed-lights, I'd recommend starting with the above option to learn off-camera lighting. Minimum expense for a pretty good result ... especially at receptions. </strong><br>

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<em>See my example image below that was done that way ... I placed the second speed-light behind the subject to kill drop shadows and light up the crappy wall, while rim lighting the subjects ... the TTL on-camera speed-light provided the front fill.</em><br>

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For more demanding lighting situations you can step up the amount of power a bit to a bare bulb type flash such as Quantum, or the new Cheetah bare bulb flash that is available in 150 W/s and 300 W/s power versions. These also offer more opportunities for effective use of light modifiers than a speed-light provides.</p>

<p>http://flashhavoc.com/cheetah-cl180-godox-ad180-review/</p>

<p>Next step up is a studio type kit which can commonly range from 250 W/s to 640 W/s (for practical use at a wedding). There are two basic types ... mono heads that are self contained and require a separate battery inverter for remote location use ... and pack systems which have a battery pack that a smaller head plugs into.</p>

<p>The issue with mono-lights is the weight of the unit up on a 10 or 12 foot stand makes it top heavy. Generally, pack unit <em>heads</em> are much smaller, and you hang the battery pack off the bottom of the stand to help stabilize it. IMO, Mono heads are better suited for studio work or in more stable situations without people all over the place like at a crowded wedding.</p>

<p>In my experience, the smallest of the battery pack type strobes is the Elinchrom Quadra Lithium kit ... the heads are smaller than a speed-light and the pack is also small enough to put in a camera roller bag ... but it punches out light at up to 400 W/s from one head.</p>

<p>My favorite is the Profoto Acute B600 AIR Lithium ... while bigger than the Quadra, it puts out up to 600 W/s ... which in many (but not all) outdoor situations allows you to over-come the sun and avoid blown backgrounds and white skies.</p>

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Man there's some really great photo examples. Well done from these very gifted pro's. Marc and Mark. I've always been very fond of their work. Very creative and complete understanding of lighting.

 

Below is an example of using extra lights in a church. This is what I consider portrait lighting. I'm sorry this is an older photo, however you get the idea. It's a very low size jpeg file so it doesn't look clean.

 

The main light was to the right. The camera flash was set to fill. This is from the early 1990's, so it gives you an idea of how long multi lighting has been around. My gear was a Metz 60 flash with a medium format Hassy camera. The main light was done with a Metz 45.

 

The reason for posting this is us photographers shouldn't limit our multi lighting to just receptions.

 

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<p><strong>Absolutely Bob !!!!!</strong></p>

<p>In fact, my emersion into better lighting solutions came about out of frustration with church formals that I had to do ... but being journalistically inclined, actually hated.</p>

<p>The part I hated the most was the post work afterwards trying to fix horrible mixed light temperatures, ghastly color casts on skin tones from surrounding surfaces or a stained glass window ... and especially the straight down ambient that caused "raccoon eye" shadows, or shafts of sun from a skylight that was 5 stops brighter than the surrounding ambient.</p>

<p>So, I was spending an inordinate amount of post time with mixed results on must have photos that I didn't particularly like doing anyway. Hundreds of them. Thousands of them. Ugg!</p>

<p>In many cases, a speed-light just couldn't cut it. For example, shooting groups at a lower ISO and having to stop down to get enough Depth-of-Field was just beyond its capability. If you lower the shutter-speed to increase the light, all you do is increase the influence of the ambient ... the opposite of what was needed.</p>

<p>I jerry rigged all sorts of lighting configurations using tandem speed-lights ... some of which worked, where others did not. Not enough light. If I set the speed-lights to full power, they would often fail or shut down for 10 minutes due to over-heating. </p>

<p>I surrendered, wrote off all the wasted time and money on cheap solutions, and went for real lights and never looked back.</p>

<p>- Marc</p>

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<p>Ian, I believe the Canon STE-2 is an inferred transmitter thus limited to line-of-sight communication and shorter distances. </p>

<p>IMO, radio is the way to go for weddings now that they've become relatively inexpensive and reliable. Radio works in crowded situations, through obstructions, and at greater distances to open up more solutions and creative applications of off-camera lighting.</p>

<p>Here is the Phottix Stratos-II in action where the lights were hidden, and placed at distance from the transmitter.</p>

<p>I wanted an exterior shot of the reception venue with the party going on inside.</p>

<p>The first shot on the left was to gauge the exposure needed for the ambient exterior. It shows how dim the interior would've been without supplementary lighting. </p>

<p>Then I turned on the radio transmitter to fire the speed-lights set inside against the wall pointed inward toward the party ... shown on the right.</p>

<p>This application of lighting would not have been possible with an inferred transmitter due to obstructions and distance ... trust me, I've tried.</p>

<p>- Marc</p>

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<p>Here's another example of hiding a radio controlled light and solving a problem.</p>

<p>I've always hated the grand entrance shots with a dark exterior room as the background. The groom in his tux often disappears into the hole behind him. </p>

<p>So, simply set a hidden light in that background and the problem is solved.</p>

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<p>You're right Marc, sorry for the wrong info. Actually I for that shot I just used the on camera 580 to trigger the other one. I am now using the Pocket Wizards TT1/TT5 combo. Here's a <a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=577713075624018&set=a.577712925624033.1073741833.171846589544004&type=1&theater">non-wedding sample</a> from a couple of days ago. </p>
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Pretty cool photo Ian.

 

There's so many radios around that are decent. I bought my pocket wizards in the 1990's. The dang things still work! They've been beat up for 20 years or so and they've nevery been in for repair.

 

Try not to get those on ebay, from China for $30. I'm not against them, I've seen them work, but will they last 20 years or more?

 

Our dear Nadine was very fond of the White Lightning radios. Based on my experience with White Lightning there products are fantastic and a lot less costly compared to my wizards. I only have their flash units.

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<p>Great feedback from everyone. I love how helpful people are on this forum. Will look into getting at least two Canon 600exrt Speedlites to help me bring my recetion photos to the next level. For now I will have to rely on my GF lightsphere. Here's an example of what I can accomplish with that setup. What do you think? Thanks again!</p>

<p><img src="http://d6d2h4gfvy8t8.cloudfront.net/17495245-lg.jpg" alt="" width="467" height="700" /></p>

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Keif, I'd rather see you get a mono light that has a modeling light inside the strobe. Your camera can focus when the modeling light is turned on a little. Often the camera can't find the subject and the focusing simply goes in and out when the hall is dark. If there is some light, such that of a modeling light well you can crank up the light bulb just enough for the camers to lock in on the subject.

 

The range of the modeling lights on the White Lightnings is from zero to 250 watts. The Alien Bees modeling light is from zero to 125. Still plenty of light for pretty much any camera to focus.

 

Google White Lightnings and Paul Buff, the designer. This is the parent company. The lower end models, the quality remains excellent are his Alien Bees. An excellent buy. And of course the Paul Buff radios that Peter and the late Nadine like so much.

 

Are you asking what we think of the photo?

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<p>Keif, while a nice shot, not sure what the photo you posted has to do with your question about using flash, (unless you were using your flash with Gary Fong diffuser off-camera behind the subjects fired by some transmitter on the camera).</p>

<p>I say this because the Exif data for that shot says that the flash did <strong>NOT</strong> fire. Basically, this is an available light image.</p>

<p><strong>Camera Data:</strong><br>

Canon EOS 5D Mark III, 24-105/4 IS lens @ 75mm<br>

1/80 sec, f/6.3, ISO 2000<br>

Manual, Evaluative metering<br>

Flash: Did not fire</p>

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<p>At least with my cameras the Flash did not fire tag is not reliable, and the camera may be unaware of any flash existing if the flash or trigger uses is not communicating with the camera in the way the manufacturer's latest flashes do. As an example of unreliable EXIF data, I've even used the on-camera (pop-up) flash to make falling snow visible (and the image shows the light) but the exif says "Flash: did not fire". When I use Skyport, there is no information about the flash being used in the EXIF. I would hesistate to make claims about the way a picture was made based on having the EXIF only but not being there when the picture was taken.</p>
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