johnmarkpainter Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 I know that lots of people recommend the 283...I already have one, but don't have the VP-1 module. Anyone using this? I am wondering how Dim the 283 gets when on it's lowest setting. Still looking for Fill Flash for M6/M3 shooting ISO 1250. jmp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason_b. Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 The 283 only has one manual setting. The 285 allows you to dial it down to 1/16th power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkpainter Posted February 26, 2005 Author Share Posted February 26, 2005 Jason, The VP-1 module has a 1/64th setting and plugs into the front of the 283.....cool feature maybe. Just wondering how low 1/64th really is. jmp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_fromm1 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 John, I have a pair of 283s with VP-1s that I use a lot for closeup work, also a Minolta Flash Meter. At full power, both 283s are 1 stop down from rated power. Rated ISO 100 feet GN is 120, actuals 80 and 90. At 1/2 power, both are 1 stop down from rated. At 1/4, -2 stops At 1/8, -3 stops At 1/16, -4 stops At 1/32, -5 stops At 1/64, which is not marked, -6 stops. They work very consistently. Now do the arithmetic yourself. Cheers, Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_buckner Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 I've checked the VP-1 against a good flash meter, and it does just what it is supposed to do. My 283 lasted over twenty years, and some people have used them longer. There are reasons why they have sold so well for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_kaplan1 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 I've been using 283's since the late 1970's. The Varipower Module is handy to have and will get you to about 6 stops less than full power but I'm not sure that all of them are the exact same at that unmarked last position. Run some tests if it's critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkpainter Posted February 26, 2005 Author Share Posted February 26, 2005 Ok... It looks like with the VP-1 @ 1/64, it will the same output as my Nikon SB-800 @ 1/ 128....gotta place an order... THANKS jmp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank granovski Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 The 285HV looked like a much better flash than the 283, and there was only a difference of $20 (Canadian). The 285HV has worked out very well for me. I'm planning on buying a 2nd one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliot_rosen1 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 You have to be careful, the 285HV might fry the flash circuitry of some Ms (? M6/TTL/M7). I heard that a while back. I used the 285HV with my M4-P, with no problem, except that it is clumsy for on camera use because it is tall and top heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliot_n Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 At its minimum setting my VP-1 gives out five and a half stops less than at full power. Tested with a lightmeter, I found the incremental markings to be inaccurate. (This is easily solved with a sticker and a pen.) I'm now using a secondhand Metz MZ40 which is more accurate, with a 10 stop range in one third of a stop increments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben z Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 I've got an MZ40 and like it very much, use it on my R8, but it seems awfully big and heavy for an M Leica, especially for "discreet" street shooting. Why not just use a little flash like a Vivitar 2800 or even the Olympus S20, in manual mode, with neutral-density gels to cut the output? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkpainter Posted February 27, 2005 Author Share Posted February 27, 2005 It is nice to find out about all of these other Flashes out there...there are SO many, that it is difficult to get meaningful info or advice on them. I only use Flash for event-type shooting (Weddings/Parties) where you have to shoot even if the light isn't good enough. I still can't bring myself to just shoot Flash the normal way and have everything look like nasty snapshots. jmp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph_barbano Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Just increase the ISO setting to 400 and change the Auto color scale on the 283 to "yellow/orange" Auto mode should get enough reduced power for fill-flash, i.e. f-stop permitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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