carlos_santos2 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 <p>Is this for real? With the traffic this site gets I imagine there is plenty of room for Google ads to bring in revenue.</p> <p>If the full-screen-shock-and-awe-Aperture-ad isn't some sort of prank, the site has reached a new low if this is the type of ad you're courting. Did you miss the whole Google revolution (e.g. why Altavista failed in the end was because of their site becoming almost unusable due to the ads). I have attached (I hope) a screenshot of The Most Obnoxious Ad yet.</p> <p>In fact, one of the key revolutionary observations Google made was that ads should be kept as <b><i>unobtrusive, to the point and as few in number as possible!</i></b> Photo.net seems to be stuck in 1999 if they hadn't gotten that message.</p> <p>Sorry for the rant, but this was just so over the top and clueless if indeed it wasn't a prank that you deserve to be notified ASAP by your readers while you still have any.</p><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelging Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Carlos , as a subscriber I have not seen the AD, thanks for bringing it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbreak Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Since you're using Firefox, you may wish to look into the adblocker/G extension, and the javascript blocker.<BR><BR>I *never see ANY ads here at all, ever.<BR><BR>And it is only fair in return, that I subscribe. I buy stuff from B & H too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlos_santos2 Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 Thanks, sorry for being annoyed, it's just more than a bit (distressing?) if this is the new tack the site's taken. Stuff like this doesn't take much (read: one ad is usually enough) to drive readers away in droves. It's a lesson painfully learned four years ago by the big web portals and surely a huge business mistake to make. Why don't we run an Adsense or similar campaign instead of the graphic monsters? The point is to keep people interested not annoy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurie_m Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Same here Carlos, I use Firefox and never see any pop ups. I don't know if that's due to my browser or my subscription status. Either way, that is an obnoxious ad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_henderson Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I saw it too. I guess I assumed it was illicit in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Stein Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Carlos, What do you expect for free, Carlos? Maybe if more people (hint, hint) would subscribe, there could be fewer ads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlos_santos2 Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 <p>Kevin, thanks for the tip but you're missing the point.</p> <p>It's not the ads I'm talking about, it's the manner in which they're delivered. I wouldn't mind a sidebar full of them, if they were useful and in good taste.</p> <p>As a reader (and there are much more non-subscribers than subscribers), it is visually grating to see an ad. Most viewers of the site are likely to have some design sensibility and be highly technologically proficient. </p> <p>We've *all been through this* on the web. Sites that don't "grok" the balance between ad revenue and user interface optimization are doomed to fail (too few ads = not enough revenue. too many or too many obtrusive ads = people leave in droves. just right amount=good exposure plus increase sales). A large lesson from Google was that ads need to be skillfully deployed, non-obtrusive.</p> <p>If you notice, my complaint isn't against the product (Aperture's a great product). It's against the 1999-esque visual-assault with which it announces itself.</p> <p>And no, installing Firefox popup blockers (which I'm using) isn't the answer. Those solutions are for egregious spammers. Do you really want to be lumped in <i>that</i> crowd?</p> <blink><b>This (should be blinking) blink tagged text surely gets your attention but isn't it horrendous?</b></blink> <p>Ads are a bit like power tools, used properly they're the bee's knees, but if you use too much force you'll wreak total havoc on your site before you even know what hit you.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mendel_leisk Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Jeremy, subscribers are seeing this pop-up ad. In error? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlos_santos2 Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 PS. Why don't I subscribe? Many reasons, some personal others non-personal, but that isn't the point. We're talking usability so my subscription status is actually rather pointless. If the editors want to encourage subscriptions there's better ways than Totally Defeating the usability of the site. My subscription status is irrelevant. You folks subscribe probably because you have lots of pictures on here, etc. I choose not to because of my own personal reasons which are orthogonal to this discussion on usability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mottershead Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 when you click the ad closed, what happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mottershead Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Subscribers should not be seeing any ads in the header of the pages. If you are a subscriber, then log out and log back in, and make sure that cookies are not being blocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinder Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Brian, logged in cookies not blocked the huge black ad jumped on 90% of my screen. I switched to firefox to eliminate this in the future. I just can't stand compainies that advertise that way. When will the ad people learn that most people will avoid bat over the head in your face ads, not flock to there product. I still love the site. ,Grinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_osborne Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Have to admit it's one of *the* most annoying adverts I've seen online in recent times. Why they think it's good marketing practice to annoy the bejesus out of folk is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mottershead Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 If you are a subscriber, and you are seeing ads in the header, please click on this link, and tell me what you see: http://www.photo.net/status Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay_philbrick Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I'm a subscriber using Firefox, cookies enabled. I get the Aperture pop up. It is very obtrusive. Brian, I see a blank page when I click on your link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay_philbrick Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Oops, it says Subscriber Status: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_unsworth1 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I saw the same ad in Firefox. To be honest there are so many ads these days that I seen no purpose in subscribing. I'm sure my use of Photo Net is covered by the advertising revenue generated by Photo Net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mottershead Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 OK, as of the time of this post, is any subscriber who is logged in seeing ads in the page header? Any ads at all, not just the expandable Aperture ad? I don't mean previously today, I mean starting now. Before posting that you are seeing ads, please click the link I provided above and ensure that it says "Subscriber status: 1". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilsontsoi Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 2 minutes ago when I was not logged in, clicking the link above shows subscriber, "0." I just logged in and clicking the link shows, "1." While I was viewing PN without loggin in, the ad does show up and while it's a bit obtrusive, I don't think that it's that, "unbelievably" obtrusive (simple click of "close" took care of it.) I equates it to skipping fancy intros when entering some other sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdpics Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Carlos, Frankly, I don't think that anyone who doesn't fork over the two dollars a month to support Pnet has ANY business in complaining about ads--period. I you don't like it, go mooch off some other photo site. In your caption for the above screen-shot that you posted, you say: "A new low for our beloved Photo.net" Apparently "beloved" in your mind doesn't include the 7 cents per day that a Pnet membership costs........ That being said, I hope that the Pnet admin is cognizant of the fact that a "barrage of ads" (especially really annoying pop-ups and other instrusive tricks) are not conducive to fostering that warm and fuzzy feeling about the Pnet community that might inspire moochers to pay up. Indeed annoying ads is yet another way for people to justify NOT paying for a membership here......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ky4tki Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 B Diamond, even so your advice was for Carlos, but I will follow it.I don't need this BS just because I don't think your site is worth subscribing to. There are plenty of other sites with much less restrictions on picture postings and a lot less snobism. I gladly pay $35 to $70 a year to thouse sites.Sionara..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlos_santos2 Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 B Diamond, I agree with the second part of your post, but the first part is a bit stuck up indeed. Lots of us who don't fork money over (the main reason being I don't mind the ads...if they're tasteful enough...to pay for them to go away) arguably still provide substantial value to the site via forum discussions and postings (like this one as a matter of fact). How sad the day when all that's left is a small community of snobs who pay money to talk only amongst themselves. Whatever. I still love photo.net in spite of the snobbery, which is why I'm vehemently against it degrading into a geocities-like ad extravaganza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel_taylor Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 SUBSCRIPTIONS ASIDE...this is a new trend in advertising I've noticed at a few sites, not just photo.net. It's the "popup" ad all over again, only worse because there's no obvious close button to click. I hate to turn off JavaScript completely, but I'm about to over this. I'll try some of the FireFox ad blocker extensions first. To web site designers every where: POPUP ADS DO NOT WORK! THEY ONLY ANNOY! The first round of popups annoyed so much that the mechanism is now basically dead, even for legitimate uses. This new mechanism will be squashed to, again harming designers who have legitimate uses. If crap like this keeps up, it's going to get to the point where JavaScript is useless because so many people have it turned off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mottershead Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I don't see these as incredibly obtrusive. You just have to click them closed, or else refresh the page. Subscribers don't see them anyway. They are supposed to be limited to one exposure per day. If people are seeing them more often, then something is not working right. Incidentally, the benefit of being a subscriber is not "no ads", although subscribers generally do see fewer ads. Subscription isn't actually optional. If you visit the site frequently and can afford it, then you are expected to subscribe. If you visit the site frequently, obviously the ads aren't an impediment to your doing so, and, anyway, if you subscribe you will see fewer ads. If you don't visit the site frequently, whether it is because you don't like the ads, or for any other reason, then nobody expects you to subscribe. Simple. But visiting the site often and then justifying not subscribing by claiming that you don't like the ads, or that the ads are paying for your frequent use of the site -- well, that is rationalizing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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