Tri-Elmar-M and Konica RF

Discussion in 'Leica and Rangefinders' started by arthur_yue, Jul 22, 2001.

  1. I am having some trouble with the framelines on my Konica Hexar RF when I use my Tri-Elmar-M (current version) on it. The 3 sets of framelines come up as expected when I change focal lenth from 35mm to 50mm then to 28mm i.e. turning the focal lenth selector counter-clockwise, but when I move from 28mm to 50mm both set of framelines ( 28/90 & 50/75 become partly visible as very thin framelines i.e. a total of 4 framlines!). When I go from 50mm to 35mm the 35/135 frameline remains unless I turn the focal length selector pass the 35mm indent. In general I am having trouble with the framelines when turning the focal lenth selctor clockwise.

    Anybody having the same trouble.
    Any explanations or solutions.

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    Thanks
     
  2. My obvious recommendation would be to try it on a Leica.

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    BTW, Erwin Puts is looking into whether or not Leica lenses are truly
    compatible with the Hexar (at least in focusing). Apparently, Konica
    don't make that claim.
     
  3. Have you tried the tri-elmar on a Leica to see if it is doing the
    same thing? It is possible that in the lens the frame line selecting
    hardware is out of spec. There has been a bunch of talk about the
    Leica/Hexar RF compatability. I have tried the Konica lenses on my
    Leica, and they coupled up perfectly, so I have a hard time believing
    Konica lenses work perfectly on the Leica, but Leica lenses don't
    work right on the Konica. That makes no sense. The rangefinders
    have been off in several of the cameras I checked out, and I can
    easily imagine the part that keys in the frame lines could be very
    slightly out of adjustment as well. I'd try the Tri Elmar on Leica to
    make sure the lens isn't out of spec, and then I'd try to get ahold
    of another Konica body to try it on. That way you'll know where the
    problem is.
     
  4. Don't have the Tri Elmar but the three Leica lenses and the Hexanon
    lens I have work perfectly with either my M6 or my Hexar RF.

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    If there are incompabatilities, they are beyond my level to recognize.
     
  5. I have the same prolem with my current Tri-Elmar and Hexar RF, but
    *only* when I go to the 35mm setting. Like you, I have to turn it
    just past the 35 setting to get te 50/75 framelines to vanish,
    leaving just the 35/135 framelines visible. I have no problem with
    the other framelines.

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    It's not the lens. I have no similar problems on any of my M bodies.

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    The rangefinder is a very close tolerance mechanism. Between the
    vertical alignment problem and this frameline problem, I suspect
    Konica needs to do some work to tighten up their manufacturing and/or
    assembly tolerances.
     
  6. With my Tri-Elmar (E55 version) on the Hexar RF the 50 framelines
    don't want to snap in coming from 35-50 but is fine from 28-50, and
    on both of my M6's the 28-50 doesn't snap in but 35-50 is fine. The
    problem is definitely the lens, not the camera. There really isn't
    anything you can do about it. You can either go just a bit past the
    50mm click and then back; or else try giving the frame selector lever
    a flick--that works on mine.
     
  7. I don't know much about the current 3E, but the older one (E55
    version) is notorious for not pulling up the 35 frame line correctly.
    I use mine on an M5 and frequently have to nudge the manual frame
    selector lever to get the 35 frame up properly.
     
  8. My new tri-elmar does the same thing on my Heaxar and my .58 M6 body.
    However, I don't have this probelem on my .72 M6 body. (?)
     
  9. Seems like I am not alone in experiencing this trouble.
    My Tri-Elmar works OK on my Leicas and my other M lenses work OK on
    the RF. The single Konica 50mm lens that I have also functions
    alright on my Leicas.
    I can correct the framelines with the frameline selector on the RF.

    Just wondering - Can it be because the spring loading on the RF cam is
    not strong enough to allow it to return to the correct position?
     
  10. Dear Arthur

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    I have the same problem and I thought I was the only one until I read
    this thread. I have an M6 nonTTL, and the first version of the Tri-
    Elmar. The frame lines do not click in properly from 35 to 50.Both
    were bought used. I took it to the Leica shop here in London, and
    they tried the lens with a new M6 body and it works fine. The chap
    told me that it may be due to the high tolerances of the TRi-Elmar
    and a possibility of mount wear in my body. This I find hard to
    believe as the body is pretty unused. It seems that the lens , once
    mounted on the body, gives a little, perhaps 1/4 mm of play and you
    can correct the frmae lines by twisting the lens to the left, when
    holding the body to viewing position. He suggested I renew my lens
    mount!

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    Anyway I am not very happy with this, although it doesn't affect the
    image quality. So much for Leica manufacturing quality!

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    S Lee
     

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