Tri-Elmar-M and Konica RF

I am having some trouble with the framelines on my Konica Hexar RF when I use my Tri-Elmar-M (current version) on it. The 3 sets of framelines come up as expected when I change focal lenth from 35mm to 50mm then to 28mm i.e. turning the focal lenth selector counter-clockwise, but when I move from 28mm to 50mm both set of framelines ( 28/90 & 50/75 become partly visible as very thin framelines i.e. a total of 4 framlines!). When I go from 50mm to 35mm the 35/135 frameline remains unless I turn the focal length selector pass the 35mm indent. In general I am having trouble with the framelines when turning the focal lenth selctor clockwise.

Anybody having the same trouble.

Any explanations or solutions.

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Thanks

My obvious recommendation would be to try it on a Leica.

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BTW, Erwin Puts is looking into whether or not Leica lenses are truly

compatible with the Hexar (at least in focusing). Apparently, Konica

don't make that claim.

Have you tried the tri-elmar on a Leica to see if it is doing the

same thing? It is possible that in the lens the frame line selecting

hardware is out of spec. There has been a bunch of talk about the

Leica/Hexar RF compatability. I have tried the Konica lenses on my

Leica, and they coupled up perfectly, so I have a hard time believing

Konica lenses work perfectly on the Leica, but Leica lenses don't

work right on the Konica. That makes no sense. The rangefinders

have been off in several of the cameras I checked out, and I can

easily imagine the part that keys in the frame lines could be very

slightly out of adjustment as well. I'd try the Tri Elmar on Leica to

make sure the lens isn't out of spec, and then I'd try to get ahold

of another Konica body to try it on. That way you'll know where the

problem is.

Don't have the Tri Elmar but the three Leica lenses and the Hexanon

lens I have work perfectly with either my M6 or my Hexar RF.

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If there are incompabatilities, they are beyond my level to recognize.

I have the same prolem with my current Tri-Elmar and Hexar RF, but

*only* when I go to the 35mm setting. Like you, I have to turn it

just past the 35 setting to get te 50/75 framelines to vanish,

leaving just the 35/135 framelines visible. I have no problem with

the other framelines.

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It's not the lens. I have no similar problems on any of my M bodies.

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The rangefinder is a very close tolerance mechanism. Between the

vertical alignment problem and this frameline problem, I suspect

Konica needs to do some work to tighten up their manufacturing and/or

assembly tolerances.

With my Tri-Elmar (E55 version) on the Hexar RF the 50 framelines

don't want to snap in coming from 35-50 but is fine from 28-50, and

on both of my M6's the 28-50 doesn't snap in but 35-50 is fine. The

problem is definitely the lens, not the camera. There really isn't

anything you can do about it. You can either go just a bit past the

50mm click and then back; or else try giving the frame selector lever

a flick--that works on mine.

I don't know much about the current 3E, but the older one (E55

version) is notorious for not pulling up the 35 frame line correctly.

I use mine on an M5 and frequently have to nudge the manual frame

selector lever to get the 35 frame up properly.

My new tri-elmar does the same thing on my Heaxar and my .58 M6 body.

However, I don't have this probelem on my .72 M6 body. (?)

Seems like I am not alone in experiencing this trouble.

My Tri-Elmar works OK on my Leicas and my other M lenses work OK on

the RF. The single Konica 50mm lens that I have also functions

alright on my Leicas.

I can correct the framelines with the frameline selector on the RF.

Just wondering - Can it be because the spring loading on the RF cam is

not strong enough to allow it to return to the correct position?

Dear Arthur

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I have the same problem and I thought I was the only one until I read

this thread. I have an M6 nonTTL, and the first version of the Tri-

Elmar. The frame lines do not click in properly from 35 to 50.Both

were bought used. I took it to the Leica shop here in London, and

they tried the lens with a new M6 body and it works fine. The chap

told me that it may be due to the high tolerances of the TRi-Elmar

and a possibility of mount wear in my body. This I find hard to

believe as the body is pretty unused. It seems that the lens , once

mounted on the body, gives a little, perhaps 1/4 mm of play and you

can correct the frmae lines by twisting the lens to the left, when

holding the body to viewing position. He suggested I renew my lens

mount!

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Anyway I am not very happy with this, although it doesn't affect the

image quality. So much for Leica manufacturing quality!

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S Lee