Time to shoot some birds, Post yours

Discussion in 'Pentax' started by jgredline, Nov 14, 2008.

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  2. ok Mr. Bird King.. That last photo is wonderful! Love the colors! Here's one..
  3. and another
  4. and one more
  5. ok one more...
  6. ok the first here is from a couple of finches who made a nest right at my front door they are extremly camera shy and mother bird keeps attecking when ever the camera comes out.
  7. This one I took a while back when I was on the coast
  8. and last but not least a butcher bird haveing a llittle feed
  9. Javier Great shot on the mallards I find it hard to capture the green luminescence’s in the head feathers and you’ve done it and bang on with the WB
  10. trw


    Sorry Javier, our birds all appear to be visiting you.
  11. shooting birds......? <br>
    <img src="http://static.zoom.nl/D1E8512C40C382D903939937ECE14A78.jpg"> <br> <br>
    don't worry, I found this one, still warm. It was probably killed by a cat. <br> <br>
    Javier, that last one of yours is just fab !
  12. I don't think I have ever come across a bigger bunch of bird lovers as I have with my fellow Pentaxians. Personally, I try to avoid those flu-infested flying rodents, but I did happen to shoot this white pelican in St. James's Park in London a few days ago. That's the furthest extent of my bird shooting, folks.
  13. I was saving this one for the POW but what the heck...
  14. Dinnertime
  15. Hi. This is my first post, so hello to everyone. [​IMG] Ardea Cinerea i belive
  16. Hi Angelescu -- that is correct. The common name for the bird is "Blue Heron". Welcome, by the way!
  17. I believe Ardea Cinerea is commonly known as the Grey Heron, Jeff. I like you're St. James' pelican, btw--it's a nice place but seems an incongruous location for that bird.

    Nice capture on the dinnertime shot, Robert.
  18. Ah, good catch, Dave! I knew a good birder such as yourself would keep a duffer like me honest! ;-->

    You're right about the pelican...I had to rub my eyes a few times to make sure that was the right bird in the right place.

    Cheers, Jeff
  19. Just one for now...

    <IMG SRC="http://www.marclangille.com/photos/404137200_QCK4b-L.jpg">

    EXIF: Exposure Time 0.0005s (1/2000), Aperture f/6.3, ISO 320, 540mm, Photo Dimensions 1878 x 1355, AV Mode
  20. Ok, I've been working on bird pics and find them quite difficult unless you can restrict them to a small pool of water ... :)
  21. ok, one more time trying to post the pic...
  22. This was taken at the end of Summer 2008:
  23. Gosh ... I don't even remember how to put the photo within the post! I'll try again with a different one. JP
  24. And, one more for today ... I have quite a few more. So, next time!
  25. Nice heron, Jacques!
  26. Thanks Dave,

    Actually, this was taken with a Sigma 100-300mm f4 APO EX DG on a K10D !
    I am having some issues using this same lens with the K20D ... in spite of several attempted adjustements within the Custom Menu No. 35 (AF adjustments) , I find the sharpness not being as good with the K20D compared with the K10D!
    Mind you, these above were in very bright lighting conditions and all my other "tests" with the K20D/Sigma lens.
    Perhaps someone can help here:

    Is using the following: full 300mm focal length, high ISO (400-800) and wide opened diaph (f4 to f4.5) with a monopod only (no tripod used during the tests), am I heading toward disaster? I.e.: will that REALLY affect the sharpness and possibly difficulty to obtain "bang-on" AF focus?

    Hope this will bring some answers which would indeed be very much appreciated.

  27. Jacques: a lot depends on the distance to the bird, your technique + your camera's AF accuracy. That aperture is not a large DOF, especially if you're at the longer end in terms of focal length.

    With really long lenses, skill and technique will be the final factor in determining a sharp image, assuming the lens is a top performer.
  28. Well, yes it is true that a lot of factors determine the quality of the photo.

    I'd like to ask readers here and especially to those presenting great "very close" shots:

    How really close are you to your subject, albeit using a 300, 400 or more mm lens?
    If you are at, let's say, 50 feet from a great blue heron, and you are using a 400mm lens, well ... I am quite sure the result will be somewhat different than using that samel lens at 100 feet, right? Or using it to capture the image of a much smaller bird, i.e.: a sparrow or a swallow.
    The distance at which you are from the subject certainly accounts for poorer results, given that the angle of view will accordingly be lessened, the farther you are. Am I right?
    Given that, you'll probably have to change some factors and the slightest move, wind, cough on your tripod will cause blurr, ever so slight as it may seem.

    So, really folks, how close is "comfortably" close enough to produce very sharp results?

  29. These are great shots everyone I am amazed, birds are so interesting to capture. I had to learn the differences between all the variety types of egrets/herons familys. This is a great resource site to find the birds you are taking pictures of http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/BirdGuide/Great_Egret.html
  30. @Todd, Love the Egyptian duck! nice capture...

    @Ben, nice pelican! good natural colors. I also like the peach blossom butcher. A bump in sat and u have a winner..

    @Ian, That OWL has me jealous!! Great capture and great composition...

    @O-Shiva, Great shot, sharp as a tack.

    @Jeff, NICE Pelican..Those English Pelicans look different than the American Pelicans. That one has some pretty feathers and great colors...Great catch..

    @Dave, That is one of the beast cathes I have seen from you...''bravo'' Nice and sharp and well composed and exposed...

    @Robert, your image reminds me of my kids..They are always hungry, there is never nothing to eat, LOL...That is a great capture. Right place at the right time...

    @Angelescu Stefan, Nice blue Heron..I love looking at well composed shots.....

    @Marc, As always, Bravo...You nailed the greens..tough to do, atleast for me...I love head shots...

    @Rose, while I like that funny duck that looks like a goose, I really like the image with the mallard....The fall in back ground with the ship wrecked boat makes it a picture!!Nice job...

    @Jaques, while the heron is very nice, I love the sand piper. Sharp as a tack and great colors...Well done..That cedar wax wing is also nice..I love the bokeh...

    @Brian, Nice Heron and don't worry. We love Nikon people as well... 8~) Nice night capture......
  31. Jacques,
    I have that same Sigma 100-300 F/4.0 and rate it equal to my DA* 200 and DA*300 as far as image quality.. I use it often with its matched Sigma 1.4tc and I also use it with the Pentax 1.7TC. with great results...I use the lens wide open with both my K10D, and K20D. In fact, since I crop allot, I use my K20D most of the time when birding...How ever, the best tool is your feet...Always get as close to the subject as possible...When it is not possible to get close, ISO is your best friend. It is not uncommon for me to use ISO's up to 1000 in sunny days...Fast shutter speeds is your best friend to get good crisp images...Wide open + HIGH ISO = fast shutter speeds and faster Auto focus speeds..
  32. Oh another thing...Pay close attention to your histogram and especially the color histogram...Expose to the right, being careful not to blow anything out.The farther you get to the right, the more data you gather...
  33. Jaques,
    Here are four images shot with the Sigma 100-300 F/4 with the 1.4TC attached....
    <img src="http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp128/jgredline/Wildlife%20parks/_IMGP4744.jpg">
    <img src="http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp128/jgredline/Wildlife%20parks/_IMGP4746.jpg">
  34. From one extreme to another...These next two I shot with K10D and FA50 F/1.4.....Harsh light, but these where
    right on the edge of the histogram...Very borderline from being blown out....
    <img src="http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp128/jgredline/Wildlife%20parks/K10DwithFA50141.jpg">
    <img src="http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp128/jgredline/Wildlife%20parks/K10DwithFA5014.jpg">
  35. About exposing to the right: you must be careful with your exposure of white or very light colored birds. Normally I will EV -0.7 to -1.3. Otherwise the white feather details will run the risk of being blown out.
  36. I have been as close as 7 feet from my subject with the FA* 300/2.8, and 12 feet with the Sigma 500/4.5. That was an exception - see below.

    It was intentional to measure the exact distances from the blind to various locations around the watering hole. I have bird shots where there is no cropping, and the bird is so close or "large" in my viewfinder that parts of it are not within the image. Here's one sample (posted elsewhere, but my mobile "blind"): First Image Post...

    As Javier stated, if your camera sensor can handle it (in terms of noise levels), go with the higher ISO in brighter conditions to ensure high shutter speeds.

    Brian: Cornell's Ornithology Lab is a very good resource! I plan to submit images for consideration to their digital image collection after confirmation of their requirements, etc... and if they give credit to the photographer when licensed elsewhere. They also want unusual (not just a portrait) images of birds in feeding and other kinds of behaviors.

    Regards, Marc
  37. My take [​IMG] [​IMG]
  38. Good thread Javier! Just a couple from me today..
  39. A common Australian bird
  40. These two herons presented something of a composition dilemma for me.
  41. Taken through glass & fine vegetation, a sparrowhawk killing a collared dove. Happened so unexpectedly in the middle of
    lunch that I had to rush for the camera and take an opportunistic shot.
  42. Javier,
    Thanks for all this info. Much appreciated.
    Now I am truly jealous and still wondering how I have the same equipment as you: K20D + 100-300 Sigma F4 + 1.4X T.C., and not once did I succeed in taking a bird shot which is as sharp as yours !!
    Well ... I guess I will now return out there and really try get this done properly:
    . Get as close as possible (and that is the most difficult part)
    . Use as fast a speed as possible.
    . Use my tripod more often (which is truly not what I have been doing because most of times I find that rather bulky to carry around in hard-to-access places).
    . At least, carry the monopod around!

    Now, for us up here in Eastern Québec, the late Fall will be followed very soon with Winter and that means pretty much quiet as far as "birding" is concerned ... all the migratory birds being gone South now.
    I am hoping to get out in a few trails later on to try and capture (on camera!) a few hardy feathered friends hanging around for the rough season.
    Hopefully, a Snow Owl if I'm lucky enough or perhaps a Great Horned Owl later during February when they start nesting.

    Cheers to you and in the meantime, keep up sending us those great pictures!

  43. Javier and all ...

    Always on the subject of bird photography:
    Something just came up in my old brain: would the mirror lock-up feature during the 2sec delay timer on the K10D/K20D be the best way to go (if the subject stays still) to avoid this vibration which certainly will almost always be a problem when depressing the shutter?

  44. Jacques: so long as the subject is not moving, that's one way to do it (MLU). You cannot see anything through the viewfinder during that time. I wouldn't recommend using MLU unless you use a solid tripod though - the monopod would be a sketchy option. I say this since you cannot visually confirm the subject's still in the viewfinder if you are fairly close, and run the risk of not getting the subject composed or framed the way you want. Hope that helps?
  45. Yes Marc, that helped!
    Thanks a bunch.

    I think I got it:
    To summarize: if it doesn't move, MLU is OK.
    If it moves, just use the fastest speed as possible, normal mode.

  46. To potentially photograph snowy owls!!! That would be such a treat!

    Curious: are you around the Eastern Townships, Trois Rivieres, or even further east to Gaspésie peninsula?
  47. I would recommend AV mode for birding as the first choice. That helps isolate the bird(s) more from there surroundings, and gives the image a cleaner appearance in terms of the supporting background being more OOF (out of focus). Less distractions around the subject
  48. @Sushil, Nice pelican work!. I really like the second one..I am half way tempted to head out to the beach today.

    @Haig, 2 birds, I have not seen. Great captures. I in particlular really love the ''pest'' What a great bird to have around with all those colors. I would rather have those than pigeons. Although a pigeon can be good if shot just right..
    On a second note, no photoshop on the herons neck, just a fish going down the throat. I saw that to and thought, wow, I can almost make out the fish going down. Of course I had the luxory of watching it. :)

    @Henk, I can see the composition dilemma. What a great capture. I would like to see it with a vertical crop. Perhaps with the crop beginning behind the front legs of the croc to feature both herons, but the head of the croc still lurking looking for a meal. This would eliminate the chopped tail of the crop and I believe the portrait look will work here..

    @Marc, Thanks for all the tips. I struggle with shooting white birds. Do you use spot or center weighted metering?
  49. Here are a couple more of the great egret, I shot yesterday. I must have spent an hour watching this fellow and
    trying to get different type of shots, so I shot its back side...I really struggle shooting white birds. By this
    time of day the light was already to harsh, hence the lack of detail in the bird.

    <img src="http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp128/jgredline/Wildlife%20parks/IMGP1462.jpg">
    <img src="http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp128/jgredline/Wildlife%20parks/IMGP1464.jpg">
  50. Marc,

    I live in Rivière du Loup, Québec... that is 2 hours East of Québec City, on the south shore of the St Lawrence River.
    So, about 2 hours away from the Gaspé région.

    For the Snowy Owls, ... they apparently started their journey South to here from the Arctic, so we should be able to spot some specimens soon.
    Along the St Lawrence, they tend to be quite active on the shore and in the fiields nearby. Not numerous but one always have a decent chance to see some, once in a while.

  51. So, I am sending a couple more here ... that will do for a while, until I get out there and try those suggestions provided by all the experts up there! Gosh, I just can't over all those beautiful shots here! Cheers to all and see ya'll soon!
  52. One more heron, hiding in a ditch ... just near the bridge ...
  53. ... and the last one, a Snow Geese which decided to stay here during the Summer. I think it is a bit dar but I did not want to destroy the contrasty effec of white against the dark colours.
  54. Wonderful shots and another helpful tutorial--thanks, Javier!
  55. Javier,

    Awesome shots, I am speechless. you take the most amazing Photos of birds I have ever seen.


    I love the "ok, one more." shot bird. It remonds me of the American Gothic picture for some reason
  56. Ok, 3 more .. not sure what they are, other than the last one is an owl of some sort.
  57. Another view
  58. And the owl
  59. Haig, Nice shooting. I love the detail in the feathers...Really nice.
  60. Jacques,
    The first image of the sparrow is perfect in my estimation...The heron, is a tad underexposed, but I am nit picking as it is a fine shot, and the third is about a full stop underexposed my guestimation...In other words, your being hard on yourself..You have some fine captures and practice makes perfect...Peter Zack gave me some great advice a couple of years back...He told me to shoot and shoot...He knew this pro that kept shooting gulls simply to stay sharp...Same with me...I will shoot anything even lousy pigeons....for practice... :)
  61. Here are a few of the test shots from the weekend. Normally I delete these, but for this thread they will do. Since I struggle with ''WHITE'' birds, those are the ones I have been spending most of my time on...

    <img src="http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp128/jgredline/Wildlife%20parks/IMGP1481.jpg">
    <img src="http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp128/jgredline/Wildlife%20parks/_IMGP4661.jpg">
    <img src="http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp128/jgredline/Wildlife%20parks/_IMGP4662.jpg">
  62. A brown goose....different lake.
    <img src="http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp128/jgredline/Wildlife%20parks/IMGP1286.jpg">
    <img src="http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp128/jgredline/Wildlife%20parks/IMGP1288.jpg">
  63. And a lousy gull and a flying Rat, other wise known as a pigeon...
    <img src="http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp128/jgredline/Wildlife%20parks/IMGP1820.jpg">
    <img src="http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp128/jgredline/Wildlife%20parks/IMGP1890.jpg">
  64. Tought I posted this recent picture.....??? So I'll post it again. <br>
    Let me compliment everyone here on a stunning array of birds. Very impressive and a joy to look at ! <br> <br> What bird pics I have is always by chance <br>
    <img src="http://static.zoom.nl/97A2AC450D8B915DE5D275FD1742A7E5.jpg"> <br>
    This fella is sort of handicapped, probably has a speech-problem
  65. Thanks Javier,
    I appreciate the comments and the tips!

    There isn't much birding around here these days ... as I said, the winter is just about here and, you must know, we live in this part of the country where Winter is long, harsh, cold and snowy!
    Well, I guess I will attend to the birdfeeders and hope for the best.
    Took my K20D, Sigma 100-300 and the TC this morning ... went to the sea shore and ... not even a seagull would dare getting out in this windy-cold day.

    You sure live in a great place to take bird photos Javier! And, as usual, all your shots are great.

  66. o-shiva, that is a ''great'' capture and that beak makes the shot...Nice and very well detailed...
  67. How about a flamingo.. and a female satin bower bird?
  68. And for some different colors.. check the eyes!
  69. Birds of a different feather
  70. And, almost our national bird! Funny looking!
  71. Haig and Nick: Great stuff, great colours and contrasts ... well done.

    BTW, go see what Javier and Marc are up to in the other "Bird Thread" ... can't remember the title.

  72. Great shots everyone...very sharp and colorful.
    Here are a couple from my last trip to the beach [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Pentax K10D / Tamron AF70-300mm Di
  73. Haig, I love that colorful bird with the funny eyes. What is it? I have never seen one of those...

    Nick, That turkey is disgustingly cool 8~)

    Rod, I really like that center image. That is a great capture. The fish is nice and sharp. I believe if you cropped some of the egret away, and brought the focus to the fish being eating, you would have a real winner...I really like that shot.
  74. Nick, by the way..I like the chicken Idea allot..If you have access to chickens, I would spend allot of time trying to shoot them. If your shooting Jpegs, set the in camera settings to vibrant, +2 contrast, 0 sat, +2 sharpness and you should get some good sharp vibrant colors....That chicken is a great model...
  75. Rod,..I hope you don't mind this edit. It is such a cool shot I had to try it. the cut off feet are such a no no but there is always a way to improve things, I think..Let me know if you want me to take it down.. Here is what I did...A small crop to bring the focus to the egret eating the fish, Increase in contrast about 10%, increase in saturation 10% and 5% smart sharpen... [​IMG]
    By jgredline
  76. It's a female Satin Bower bird Javier
  77. Haig, That bird is my fav in this thread. Iove the detail and color you captured. And those claws...great capture.

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