JDMvW Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 The "glow"? Maybe, but a relatively "objective" article Understanding the ‘Leica Look’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels - NHSN Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 I thought I was a Leica guy, but it turns out that I am really a Canon guy, it seems. All the images I preferred turned out to be Canon - I feel so ashamed:( Niels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Ingold Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Are we comparing the "look" of Leica v Canon, or the way the cameras process JPEG files? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q.g._de_bakker Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Are we comparing the "look" of Leica v Canon, or the way the cameras process JPEG files? The look. There is an obvious difference in how the raw data are processed. There's also a difference in raw data, which however does not need to remain (you're going to proces those raw data, right?) "Both cameras sit at different starting points, but the finish line is the same." But there is no evidence of a "Leica look". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Ingold Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 (edited) JPEG images are more then just processed in the camera, they are highly processed and easily customized. It would be more objective to take raw images and compare them using the same processor. I expect to see differences, but as a videographer I see differences between cameras, even the same make and model (many factors affect perceived color, including exposure, lenses, and dominant tones in the subject). Color aside, the "Leica look" is primarily due to optics, and even more, the subject matter traditionally suited to using a discrete rangefinder camera. The Summicron 50 of my era (mid 60's) sacrificed contrast for sharpness, more effective in B&W than in color. That lens has really good bokeh (before there was bokeh), but not all legacy lenses (e.g. Summitar) could claim that. Each version has a "look". Edited September 24, 2022 by Ed_Ingold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
httpwww.photo.netbarry Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 I always thought it was supposed to be about the lens, not the sensor. Where's Erwin Putts when you need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q.g._de_bakker Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 JPEG images are more then just processed in the camera, they are highly processed and easily customized. It would be more objective to take raw images and compare them using the same processor. I expect to see differences, but as a videographer I see differences between cameras, even the same make and model (many factors affect perceived color, including exposure, lenses, and dominant tones in the subject). Color aside, the "Leica look" is primarily due to optics, and even more, the subject matter traditionally suited to using a discrete rangefinder camera. The Summicron 50 of my era (mid 60's) sacrificed contrast for sharpness, more effective in B&W than in color. That lens has really good bokeh (before there was bokeh), but not all legacy lenses (e.g. Summitar) could claim that. Each version has a "look". Yes, it is about the lens. And what you can record of what the lens offers. And LensRentals found no difference as far as that is concerned. No Leica glow or such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Ingold Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 What is the standard for "glow"? If you can't define it, you can't measure it. Everyone talks about bokeh, but in subjective terms (e.g., buttery). Musicians aren't measured by the number of notes they get right, nor artists by their brush strokes. You can use Leica and Canon lenses on nearly any mirrorless camera. Let's start by eliminating that variable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 How can a lens post not be objective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Ingold Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) How can a lens post not be objective? The article was objective to a limited extent, but if you're comparing lenses and "look" using different sensors and JPEG processing confuses the issue. In this test, I used a Sony A7Rii Edited September 26, 2022 by Ed_Ingold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 Aren't almost all lenses objectives? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clark_roberts Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 I only got one right, hey maybe if he used some older Leica lenses that would of change thing's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Ingold Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Aren't almost all lenses objectives? In that sense, objectivity is the process of selecting a lens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Smith Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 What is better is to show the pictures you take over a year or so of use in the real world. See if you get better, more interesting pics than with the rival. The point surely is whether you enjoy shooting with a Leica more than with the rival systems. The more pleasure you get out of it the better it is for you. If all you want to do is rather inadequate lens tests, then don’t waste your money. I’m not surprised he can’t tell the difference from the shots he took. They don’t differ in important ways at all. Robin Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 enjoy shooting with a Leica more than with the rival systems Many of the cameras I "enjoy" shooting most are film cameras, and the post- shooting experience is no longer so pleasant nor easy. I do enjoy my digital Canon EOS cameras nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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