TFP model

Discussion in 'Portraits and Fashion' started by benjamin_kim|2, Jul 2, 2016.

  1. Well, I have an issue with TFP models that they never respond me back. However, photographers think that it's ok cause they are in model agency. I really feel that it's not responsible at all. Are there any documents about TFP model? I don't think that it's good manner and attitude.
     
  2. Spearhead

    Spearhead Moderator

    If you want models to be more responsive, pay them.
     
  3. At the risk of sounding rude, but what are you complaining about exactly? You make it sound as if models are obliged to respond to your request to model for you for free, at best for a print/CD for their efforts.
    First thing in this respect to do is some self reflection. What can you offer the model, is there a chance they will indeed end up with pictures they can use?
    Keep in mind they're already with agencies, so either already have good pictures, or will at least have very critical eyes - i.e. the people from the agency - look at the eventual pictures. And/or even give their green, or red (!) light when/before a model considers working with an new/unknown photographer.
    You unfortunately don't have a link to any kind of (on line) portfolio or any other pictures you have made that may convince them to 'accept' your offer. And from your posting history here (starting in December 2015, asking for advice on how to become an assistant) I can only gather you're following a photography course since a year and a half, are enthusiastic about it, and that's about it.
    All and all a pretty slim base on which to expect usable pictures, and I fear very much the reason you don't get much response from already experienced models (they're after all no longer scouring the internet for 'photographers' but already passed the hurdle to get accepted at an agency)
    If you have the ambition to work with models, maybe better start working on a portfolio that will hopefully convince models to do so. While it's courageous to immediately start approaching more or less established, at least agency enlisted, models, you should learn to walk before you can run.
    Of course, maybe your talent already is so evident everybody will be convinced when they see your pictures. Or maybe you're so persuasive that even without pictures you can make them wanting to work with you. But posting this 'complaint' gives me the impression that such is not the case thus far.
    So IMO better start taking pictures of friends and colleague students, maybe even students from a fashion course (they're likely to have a wider selection of clothes) and try to make pictures that are (more or less) up to the standards of the modelling agencies, even if the 'models' are not. Just start taking the first steps, accept your limited resources, and make good pictures, or at least try to do so nevertheless.
    Don't blame the agency registered models for not responding so far on your requests to model. After all, you're asking them to so for free and, apart from youthful enthusiasm. so far seem not to have much to show far to convince them to do so.
    Then when you do have pictures to show for, go to the agencies and try to get some TFP shoots. If your talent is showing in your pictures, the agencies will look past the maybe amateur styling, make up and/or models.
    But the starting point is to take/have 'good' pictures first, no matter if the models are from an agency or not.
    You make it sound as if you need agency models to begin with, and seem disgruntled they won't respond even if you don't have/seem to have anything to show for (so far?).
    OK, maybe they're impolite, or even rude. But that's the real world outside, or at least the fashion/modeling agency one. If you're not considered interesting, you passed by or ignored, and sometimes that may happen in a less then polite way.
    I can only repeat the advise given in the very first reaction on your December 2015 post :
    William Kahn [​IMG], Dec 26, 2015; 12:25 p.m.
    Well, Benjamin, I think the last thing you want to do is advertise on social media because you'll get a lot of responses you definitely are not looking for.

    Otherwise you sound a bit like the debutant photographer I met yesterday at an event hosted by the Thai embassy in the Hague yesterday. It just was a day celebrating Thailand, with food stands, speeches and the occasional dance and music performance (on an four feet or so high stage).
    My eye was immediately drawn to him, as he was (kind of) shooting dancers with the camera mounted on a tripod, obviously struggling as he was checking the LCD after each shot and then started pushing all the buttons on his Nikon D7000, sweating profusely while doing so.
    I tried engaging in a discussion with him to maybe give him some tips on shooting techniques, AF and exposure settings (have some experience with shooting events and catwalk).
    But instead the first thing he asked me about was what camera's I used. And, after I told him a had a DF and a D800 with me (I hadn't taken out of my back pack), immediately told me would take better pictures if he had a full frame camera with a 24-70 zoom rather then the d700 and 85mm he was using now.
    Similarly don't immediately go for 'agency models' when you want to start shooting models. Just start modestly with friends, family, colleague students and learn how to take good/decent pictures to begin with. Once you have those, it will get a lot easier to convince models and/or agencies to work with you.
    But at this stage, IMO don't start to complain about attitude and good manner, it may very well be that your own is something to improve on as well.
     
  4. Having known and worked with a number of models (amateur and professional), I strongly suspect that the reason you're not getting responses is because models think you're just another GWC. Models frequently get offers from Guys With Cameras. If you don't have quality photos to demonstrate that you're a skilled photographer, models will just assume that you're a Guy With a Camera who wants to spend time with and take photos of a pretty girl.

    Before I ever started shooting models, I had a decent portfolio of street, documentary, and portrait photography. I didn't have much trouble finding models to work with.
     
  5. Thanks for advices people! I guess I should show my portfolio site first before I start conversation.
     
  6. And what is your portfolio site? As far as your questions, it sounds more of a personal issue. I get a lot of client inquires who don't respond back to me after I respond to them. I am not going to track them down. Although I would like to.
     
  7. Down here is a growing problem. With cameras so capable now, there are a lot of shooters who are not prepared to do the miles first.
    Or, of course, dangle some dollars. Start at $200 for an hour and email your Model Release.
     
  8. Not sure about prices in us but $200 an hour seems very
    steep
     

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