Summicron 35mm f/2 Black 8 Elements Or 7?

Discussion in 'Leica and Rangefinders' started by jaycee_chan, Feb 5, 2006.

  1. Another Questions Since U Guys Know Everything Please Help me Out Here! Before 1969- 8 Elements Summicron From 1969-1979 6 Elements Summicron From 1979-1996 7 Elements Pre-ASPH Summicron Canada And Germany From 1997-XXXX 7 Elements ASPH Can U Guys Give Me Your Own Thoughts About These Lens Above! I am trying to get one for my M6TTL LHSA and i heard that 7 and 8 elements are the best (For Black and White 100% Better)...but just want to make sure before i spend like couple 100 dollars or maybe more... One last thing dose the new lens Leica makes now days any good compare with the old ones? Because i heard the new one supposed to be better(On Colors at least and weaker in B&W)....well that is what they said...maybe they just want people to buy them...
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  2. I sold my Wetzlar made black paint 8 element Summicron and kept the 6 element that I also owned. For a number of years I'd find myself in situations where I'd be shooting B&W a color at the same time so having duplicate equipment made sense. When it came time to pick which to keep? My choice was the obscene amount of money I was always being offered for that black paint eight element. I kept the six element.
     
  3. The lenses from the early era lacked microcontrast and the image has sort of a soft/sharp quality.

    Lots of people like the image as opposed to today`s bitting high contrast image.

    The lens shown is an early one, probably version 1 or 2. I am not versed enough to tell them apart with just a side view. I think it is a black version 1 and worth lots of money. Hope an expert chimes in. You may have to put up more views. One showing detail of the focus tab will help.
     
  4. I have two 35mm Summicrons, a 6 element version 2, and a new ASPH. I love them both.
    The v. 2 produces great b&w negatives and the ASPH produces outstanding slides with
    glorious colors. I don't know why most people ignore the v. 2 (and v. 3) lenses. Mine seems
    to have no vices and I got it for a song. I like to think of it as the "Rodney Dangerfield of
    Bokeh" since it's so often ignored, despite being such a fine performer.
     
  5. The lens pictures is a version I.

    The reduction from 8 elements to 6 (versions II and III) brought an increase in contrast, although they are not quite as sharp as the earlier version. Nevertheless all 35mm Summicrons--and the 35mm Summaron--are plenty sharp enough for most work. When better coating became available, Leitz went from 6 to 7 elements (version IV), for improved correction, with no loss in contrast, due to the improved coating. There is no loss in sharpness with the version IV either, compared to the 8-element version I, owning to the use of newer optical glasses. The build quality of version I is the best.

    The version I is preferred by some for black and white, owing to its lower contrast. I wouldn't take this too seriously, as you can accomplish the same thing by knocking a minute off the developing time.

    You can get the aspherical Summicron for less than the price of the version I. If you need the best wide-open performance, that's the way to go. You are looking at over $1000 for a version I or an ASPH. Version II or III, probably $700.00. Version IV, $900-1000. You are not going to get any 35mm Leica lens for a couple of hundred dollars, unless it fell onto concrete from a third-story balcony.
     
  6. It is a first version black finish 35/2 Summicron. A lens highly desired by collectors. You will not be able to buy that lens for several hundred dollars. I'm afraid the bidding starts at $ 2000 and may end much higher than that for one in nice condition.
     
  7. I'm glad I'm not the only one who was skeptical that lens could be had for a "couple hundred". In fact, is there any 35 Summicron that goes for less than $7-800 these days, unless the glass is fungussy or scratched up?
     
  8. ... great lens...! Seems to be a plack-paint one....
    where can I buy it....?
     
  9. They are all good but which is right for you depends on your personal taste. You'll just have to try them all and see for yourself. The 8 elements is lower in contrast, the 6 element higher in contrast, the second version 6 element still higher, the 7 element very high and the asph razor's edge high. Color fidelity also went from warmer to cooler. I personally like the 7 element.
     
  10. Thx Very Much! For All The Infos and More Info is always welcome!
     
  11. <...image has sort of a soft/sharp quality.>

    Ronald, could you explain this a bit more?
     
  12. Jaycee, have you got other pics of the lens. whats the s/n? is this your lens or
    one on auction. I'm not interested in it by the way - just beware there are fakes
    around.

    to answer your Q. IMO, for B&W get the 35/2.0 1st version or 35/2.8
    summaron. for colour, get the 35/2.0 4th pre-APSH
     
  13. Thx Sparkie i also that is the way to go with V1 with B&W and V4 For Color! Oh and by the
    way the lens is not mine is it from a japanese site i found! here is another picture of this lens
     
  14. "to answer your Q. IMO, for B&W get the 35/2.0 1st version or 35/2.8 summaron. for colour, get the 35/2.0 4th pre-APSH"

    Can anyone kindly share some thoughts on this? I heard about this from somewhere else but never understand why.
     
  15. sorry for (v late reply!)// been out of the loop for a bit. to answer your Q, its got to do with the coatings and lens design/drawing/character. Earlier 35's like the summaron and cron 1st V are superb for B&W due to their less contrastiness, where the shadows are better captured. The newer lenses are better for colour due to better more accurate coatings
     

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