jaycee_chan Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Another Questions Since U Guys Know Everything Please Help me Out Here! Before 1969- 8 Elements Summicron From 1969-1979 6 Elements Summicron From 1979-1996 7 Elements Pre-ASPH Summicron Canada And Germany From 1997-XXXX 7 Elements ASPH Can U Guys Give Me Your Own Thoughts About These Lens Above! I am trying to get one for my M6TTL LHSA and i heard that 7 and 8 elements are the best (For Black and White 100% Better)...but just want to make sure before i spend like couple 100 dollars or maybe more... One last thing dose the new lens Leica makes now days any good compare with the old ones? Because i heard the new one supposed to be better(On Colors at least and weaker in B&W)....well that is what they said...maybe they just want people to buy them...<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_kaplan1 Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 I sold my Wetzlar made black paint 8 element Summicron and kept the 6 element that I also owned. For a number of years I'd find myself in situations where I'd be shooting B&W a color at the same time so having duplicate equipment made sense. When it came time to pick which to keep? My choice was the obscene amount of money I was always being offered for that black paint eight element. I kept the six element. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald_moravec1 Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 The lenses from the early era lacked microcontrast and the image has sort of a soft/sharp quality. Lots of people like the image as opposed to today`s bitting high contrast image. The lens shown is an early one, probably version 1 or 2. I am not versed enough to tell them apart with just a side view. I think it is a black version 1 and worth lots of money. Hope an expert chimes in. You may have to put up more views. One showing detail of the focus tab will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_l3 Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 I have two 35mm Summicrons, a 6 element version 2, and a new ASPH. I love them both. The v. 2 produces great b&w negatives and the ASPH produces outstanding slides with glorious colors. I don't know why most people ignore the v. 2 (and v. 3) lenses. Mine seems to have no vices and I got it for a song. I like to think of it as the "Rodney Dangerfield of Bokeh" since it's so often ignored, despite being such a fine performer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob F. Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 The lens pictures is a version I. The reduction from 8 elements to 6 (versions II and III) brought an increase in contrast, although they are not quite as sharp as the earlier version. Nevertheless all 35mm Summicrons--and the 35mm Summaron--are plenty sharp enough for most work. When better coating became available, Leitz went from 6 to 7 elements (version IV), for improved correction, with no loss in contrast, due to the improved coating. There is no loss in sharpness with the version IV either, compared to the 8-element version I, owning to the use of newer optical glasses. The build quality of version I is the best. The version I is preferred by some for black and white, owing to its lower contrast. I wouldn't take this too seriously, as you can accomplish the same thing by knocking a minute off the developing time. You can get the aspherical Summicron for less than the price of the version I. If you need the best wide-open performance, that's the way to go. You are looking at over $1000 for a version I or an ASPH. Version II or III, probably $700.00. Version IV, $900-1000. You are not going to get any 35mm Leica lens for a couple of hundred dollars, unless it fell onto concrete from a third-story balcony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliot_rosen1 Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 It is a first version black finish 35/2 Summicron. A lens highly desired by collectors. You will not be able to buy that lens for several hundred dollars. I'm afraid the bidding starts at $ 2000 and may end much higher than that for one in nice condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony_senzaorbi Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 I'm glad I'm not the only one who was skeptical that lens could be had for a "couple hundred". In fact, is there any 35 Summicron that goes for less than $7-800 these days, unless the glass is fungussy or scratched up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_haller Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 ... great lens...! Seems to be a plack-paint one.... where can I buy it....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymond_tai Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 They are all good but which is right for you depends on your personal taste. You'll just have to try them all and see for yourself. The 8 elements is lower in contrast, the 6 element higher in contrast, the second version 6 element still higher, the 7 element very high and the asph razor's edge high. Color fidelity also went from warmer to cooler. I personally like the 7 element. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaycee_chan Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 Thx Very Much! For All The Infos and More Info is always welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icuneko Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 <...image has sort of a soft/sharp quality.> Ronald, could you explain this a bit more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkie Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Jaycee, have you got other pics of the lens. whats the s/n? is this your lens or one on auction. I'm not interested in it by the way - just beware there are fakes around. to answer your Q. IMO, for B&W get the 35/2.0 1st version or 35/2.8 summaron. for colour, get the 35/2.0 4th pre-APSH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaycee_chan Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 Thx Sparkie i also that is the way to go with V1 with B&W and V4 For Color! Oh and by the way the lens is not mine is it from a japanese site i found! here is another picture of this lens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonersam Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 "to answer your Q. IMO, for B&W get the 35/2.0 1st version or 35/2.8 summaron. for colour, get the 35/2.0 4th pre-APSH" Can anyone kindly share some thoughts on this? I heard about this from somewhere else but never understand why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkie Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 <p>sorry for (v late reply!)// been out of the loop for a bit. to answer your Q, its got to do with the coatings and lens design/drawing/character. Earlier 35's like the summaron and cron 1st V are superb for B&W due to their less contrastiness, where the shadows are better captured. The newer lenses are better for colour due to better more accurate coatings</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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