juan_bonet Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 I would like if somebody takes pictures with a Hasselblad without tripod?What is the slowest speed that is possible fire the camera at hands?Juan Bonet (Barcelona-Spain) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isidor stankov Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 General rule for 35mm don't work for me (shutter speed = 1/focal lenght). Try with 2 steps faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay_. Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 Unless I'm using flash, with an 80mm lens anything less than 1/500 (actually more like 1/350 with leaf-shutter lenses)gives me results I could just as well get with a 35mm camera, and I wouldn't bother handholding a 150. However, there are other options between freehand-holding and using a heavy tripod. I often use a Leica table tripod with a small but solid Leitz ballhead, which I rest against any solid object in the vicinity, vertically or horizontally, then trip the mirror pre-release, then the shutter. I've also got a walking staff which accepts a ballhead, and by angling it out in front of me and leaning into it, along with my own 2 legs it makes a facsimile tripod. A last-ditch technique is using the W/L finder, resting the camera against the stomach (holding the breath--yes I know you're supposed to exhale but not with this technique) while pushing down on the body so it's taut on the strap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_dewberry Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 1/250, minimum. Use 800 speed film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell_britt Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 If using a flash I have shot wedding etc at 1/15 of a second and got great shots with a 50mm lens.The flash will stop the action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamw Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 Most of the time I use ASA 400 with my HB & 80mm. I don't mind handholding down to 1/15 even without flash. Of course this doesn't always gives perfectly sharp pics but that's not really what I'm looking for in the first place. In fact, the only tripod I own is a Manfrotto table pod which I use every 6 months. I just can't be bothered to bring a pod with me. Guess you could call me lazy..Good luck.William Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canon man Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 I am not sure of the difference between Hassey and Bronny mirror slap, but I found myself sitting on rocks by the Siuslaw river (about 5miles below its starting point as a spring out of the ground so more liek a creek at that point)and holding the Bronny to my eye while wedging myself on the rocks and shooint the the rapids as they swirl around the rocks. The slides came out great. A lot of those shots were at 1/60 while some at 1/250/ The 1/60 came out fine. I really wish I would have had my WLF at that time but I am still awaiting its arrival. I still wanted the shot though so use what you got! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d. light Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 actually you can fire your blad at all speeds. its being said that 800 asa film burns much quicker than 50 asa film though i would not want to handhold it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger c Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 I've taken sharp pictures with the ETRSi at 1/30 with a 75mm lens. A lot of places don't allow tripods, or maybe it's not practical to carry one. In those cases, do you miss the shot, or try anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawrence_smithers Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 Back in the archives I described an oldtime device for steadying a camera without tripod.It consists of a plasic chain with a foot loop which screws into the camera socket.Simply increasing tension on the chain steadies the camera down and permits resonably good images down to shutter speed equal to lens focal length in MM`s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg_smith4 Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 I use a Bronica SQ-a (very similar size and wieght wise to a Hassy). I use it about %75 hand held. It is very easy to use. I can generally hold it at all the same speeds as 35mm. Though I've never tested a picture hand held to a tri-pod shot.I know there is some loss in quality, but it's still better than 35mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edward_burlew Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 The point of Hasselblad is to go hand held. The mirror lock up allows slow speed and you can shoot it like a Leica. I hand hold at 1/60th by using mirror laock up. In fact even when I need to use a 500th I will compose, hit the mirror lockup and then trip the shutter. That is very sharp, With this method I have even shot a 500mm lense with a mutar 2x and project the slide 7' square in a livingroom. I regularly do a 150mm lense with 16mm tube adn ct45 flash hand held and then enlarge the portia 160asa to a 20x24. I shoot that at 1/125th. no fancy devices just use of the mirror lockup. A tripod gives better results but the results I get as described are still excellent. Try 400UC it is excellent!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawrence_title Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 switch to 400 ISO film and you too, can shoot 90% of the time without a tripod. with a 80mm lens, I try to keep the shutter speed faster than 1/60, but you can still get decent results @ 1/60. while I have a CF gitzo, I much prefer to use my 202FA handheld and do so except @ dawn, dusk, or nighttime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick_wilson2 Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 Juan, It depends on the person. I happen to be blessed with solid hands and can hand hold relatively slow speeds. I would not choose to go below about 1/60 if possible and never with a longer lens. It does depend on the lens, as a wide angle is safer to hand hold than a tele. I find the 'blad relatively easy to hold steady with a WLF. If you have a neck strap it can be used to tension the camera, or you can jam the camera against your midriff (and hold your breath) then a stop or so can be gained. Or use something solid around the place. The H'blad handle is good for support too, especially with an eye level finder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 The point that a Hasselblad is difficult to hand hold for ultimate sharpness of image is true. But that is only half the advantage of MF. So what if there is movement in some images? You get that with 35mm also, and it is aesthetically acceptable. But try to get the tonal gradations of a MF with a 35mm. Especially with enlargements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charles barcellona www.bl Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 Personally unless I'm going for 40x40 prints, there's no problem hand holding the 500c/m at reasonalby long exposures, say 1/60 for the 80mm lens. I dont see what all the fuss is about, I shoot lots of weddings, all hand held, mixed flash and ambient, or ambient only, rarely a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godfrey Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 I've gotten excellent photos with a 500CM+80mm lens in the 1/30 to 1/60 second range of shutter times, and with the 903SWC down to 1/8 second. I don't see what the big deal is. Of course, I prefer to work with a tripod, but the same is true of 35mm and even digicam ... results are far sharper ... but there are times when a tripod makes certain pictures impossible to take. Godfrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r s Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 When handholding the hasselblad I have noticed an improvement if I use an extention cord to trigger the shutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cl_ho2 Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 I usually hand held the camera and set the speed to 125th second in most situtation for snapshot (using ISO100 slid film). I need a tripod when the shutter speed is less than 60th sec. It took sometimes for me to develope the hand held skill and it was awful at the very beginning with picture composition and hand shake. Don't hesitate and take more practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audun_sjoeseth1 Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 I've used my 501CM with 80mm handheld at 1/30s without prereleasing the camera for pictures of children on a stage using the stage light and some fill flash (Metz 45CT4 at 1/2 or 1/4 of its power) with ISO 100(Provia 100F). I'm satisfied with sharpness and the colours of the chromes. I was handholding the gear with my elbows on my knees while sitting. For longtime pictures I use tripod and cable release, but mostly I use my Hasselblad handheld. Often with the camera prereleased (if shutterspeed is 1/60s or slower). And I always try to get some support for my body if there is time to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardcook Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 You might want to look in Ernst Wildi's books "The Medium Format Advantage" pp. 67-75 (2nd edition) and "Achieving the Ultimate Image", pp. 21-24. Wildi is an exclusively-Hasselblad photographer and his books have stood the test of time. He has specific suggestions for making handheld photography work -- e.g. the stance --and he makes it clear that handheld photography with the Hasselblad is not only possible but that the camera was actually designed for it. (By the way, all the 50,000 or so NASA photographs made with the Hasselblad are handheld -- no tripods were used in the Mercury, Gemini, or Apollo missions!) If you have not done so, it is worth buying a copy of "The Hasselblad Manual" by Wildi -- you may find an older edition in a used bookstore, the new is about $65. It covers almost everything you would want to know about the camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry_books Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 Godfrey is right, sometimes the sharpest shots are handheld because there is no tripod version. I shoot low light handheld all the time, but I don't make big prints (5x5). One thing that works well is get on one knee and put the camera on the other. I don't know if this is handheld but you can get pretty good shots at very low shutter speeds. Tables work well also, maybe even better than a tripod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny_spinoza Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 One of the main reasons I bought a Hassy over the other 6X6cm SLRs is that it is easy to hand-hold and still get great shots. Its ergonomic design is excellent for this. Using the WL finder, with the stap around your neck, just push up on the mirror release button with your right forefinger and then press the shutter with your left forefinger, all while maintaing some tension with the neck strap. Do this procedure at the end of exhaling. Using this procedure, I can get better handheld shots with the Hassy at relatively slow shutter speeds than handholding 35mm SLRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan n. Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 me too I do have good results shooting without tripod even at 1/30sec. A few tricks will help such as elbows close to the boby, camera on the chest... of course if your hands are shaking for some reasons (too strong coffee...)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick roadnight cotswolds Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 I have a pic that looks slightly blurred on A3, but is treasured by the shy subject's relatives, as it captures a happy expression. Provia 100, overcast, England, Hasselblad 555 ELD: I held the camera, and I told his 10-year-old daughter, who was sitting on my lap). "Push the button when you think Daddy looks Hansom" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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