tom_smith22 Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I was just wondering if it was possible to shoot 35mm film using a Hasselblad, so you use the entire film surfacefor artistic stuff, etc. Specifically, with an A12 back on. I'd be self-loading the FP4+ from the box it came in.Thanks, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_gardener Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 There was a rare 35 mm filmback with 24x56 mm film frames. First sold some 20 years ago. I would advise to use A12 or A16 fimbacks with Kodak or Fuji B/W films if FP4 is not available as rollfilm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kparratt Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Tom, it is possible, and I've done it. One of the main problems is film flatness. This was controlled in Hasselblad's own 35mm magazine by the film gate's construction, just as it is with any wide 35mm camera or magazine, such as the X-pan and other special 35mm mags made for MF cameras. The film curl will otherwise allow the emulsion to arch in front of the magazine's film plane, hence producing partially out-of-focus images. The other problem is camera orientation. There's no problem with horizontal images, but vertical framing is very awkward. A 90 degree prism can help, but it still does not provide for comfortable handling. Of course you'll need to mark the viewing screen for framing the image. But if you want to try it, go for it. I'll post some images when at hand. Cheers, Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I'd just crop the 120 version. Take a grease pencil or a Sharpie and draw crop lines on the top (smopoth side) of the groundglass. you can clean offthe marks wit hrubbing alcohol and a cotton ball or Q-Tip. I believe that the 24x56mm back Paul refers to was a custom modification made for Al Satterwhite, formerly of New York City , for advertising and stock work, back when King Kodachrome ruled the commercial photography world for 35mm based location photography (think Pete Turner, Jay Maisel, Arthur Meyerson, Eric Meola, Magnum's color photogrpahers, Sam Abell, William Albert Allard, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_leong_lee Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Buy a Hassy to EOS adapter and an EOS film body. Fire away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 "Buy a Hassy to EOS adapter and an EOS film body. Fire away." Great idea except that then he'll be a.) Only getting a 24x36mm image --and if he stitches two frames together unless he is shifting the position ofthe camera and not the lens he'll get parallax areas in the overlap. b.) He won't get as good of resolution as he would if he were using a lens meant for that 35mm camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kparratt Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Here are some images made with the simple 35mm spool adapter I made from a cut down 120mm spool. The first, shown in two sizes: One on screen here at 511 pixels at wide, and a second at 1000 for closer focusing scrutiny.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kparratt Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 The image above in a larger size: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kparratt Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Once again:<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kparratt Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 The above exposure was made at full aperture ... by mistake! Having read and set the EV value from the exposure meter winder knob, I simply forgot to turn the coupled ring on the lens. Had I exposed at the intended f11, it would have given the foreground depth of focus desired, whilst still retaing a soft background. Never the less, it is interesting to see just how shallow the DOF is at this close focus setting. I don't recal the settings applied to this next frame:<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kparratt Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Were I dedicated to working in this format, ie these image proportions, I would invest in a camera made for the job, and also stick to roll-film. So, in stead of buying the Fuji/Hasselblad X-Pan, I would use the funds as a downpayment on something like the Linhof Technorama, or that other magnificent kit from http://www.gilde-kamera.de , and simply use the Hasselblad as it's designer intended: the best 6x6 modular camera system ever made. But it was an interesting exercise, and worth doing. I hope this was helpful. Cheers, Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_leong_lee Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 "Buy a Hassy to EOS adapter and an EOS film body. Fire away." Great idea except that then he'll be b.) He won't get as good of resolution as he would if he were using a lens meant for that 35mm camera. This is a myth, esp for top dog lenses like Zeiss. Google if you want to know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User_502260 Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I have the 35W back for the Bronica ETR series cameras. It gives an image area of 24X54mm. With a 50mm or 40mm lens and some Kodachrome you can do some nice landscape work. I have a lot more 35m Technical Pan than 120 TP so that's another film to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_smith22 Posted June 20, 2008 Author Share Posted June 20, 2008 Thanks for the responses. A mate of mine has a Hasselblad, so Ive got no interest in buying a specific camera for this. I didn't think about the film flatness. I suppose Id have to deal with it and pass it off as something Ive done delibrately. Those look good Kevin. What youve done to the 120 spool sounds like what I might be after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kparratt Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Tom, it was a simple bit of butchery with a hobby knife. I'm trying to find the photos I took of the process. I had intended to post them on a thread of the same subject ages ago. maybe they'll turn up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kparratt Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Jeff, I seem to remember the film in the Bronica 35mm mag travels horizontally ... ? Thus making the Bronica solution much more user-friendly than the Hasselblad version, where the film travels vertically. 'User-friendly', that is, for panoramic landscapes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kparratt Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Here is the fabrication documented. Ths first image shows the 35mm spool adapter in it's finished state. It was made fairly quickly, with moderate care taken. You can see that it's a bit rough, but with this as a 'prototype', I was really just testing viability of the idea.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kparratt Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 The work bench.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kparratt Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 The idea is to simply cut off the two ends of the roll-film spool ....<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kparratt Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Like this ...<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kparratt Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Place it next to the end of the 35mm film cartridge, and observe how you will need to fashion the adapter...<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kparratt Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Be careful not to make the ends too short, because it is easy to adjust the fit by gradually removing more as required. Otherwise you will need to start again if too much was cut off to begin with.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kparratt Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 With the film loaded, it was immediately obvious that film curl was a problem to solve.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kparratt Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 So here is the finished job. Two small pieces of stiff card held in place with tape helped to reduce the curl. But it may also be obvious that the film is off-center. This was not intended. I did realise part of the way through the cutting process that I had not measured properly to allow for the asymmetric 35 cartridge design. This could actually be used to effect as a 'lens-shift' alternative. The Linhof Technorama 612 pc II employs exactly this design principle. ( http://www.linhof.de/ )<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q.g._de_bakker Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 The optimum lens shift alternative, i.e. the one offering the most virtual shift, is achieved by using roll film in a 6x6 back.<br>;-)<br><br>Nice project, well explained, Kevin!<br>(Though i do still prefer the 'easy route'. Which leads to the very same image results. ;-) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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