marco_landini Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>Hello. I have a Nikon D90 and almost always I keep a Tamron 17-50 2.8 mounted on it. It's a great combo for street and events, but I would like some suggestions for landscapes , buildings and industrial photography. I' m interested about the highest possible sharpness for these subjects, so I guess I had better to use tripod, remote and Nikkor primes instead the Tamron zoom. I' m thinking about the 50 1.8 ( ai-ais-af ? ), 28 2.8 ais, 55 2.8 micro at their optimal aperture. What do you think about them in comparison to Tamron 17-50 on tripod ? Any other lens suggested ? Thanks, bye. Marco</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Ingold Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>Any of the Nikkor f/2.8 zoom lenses will perform as well with a D90 as the Nikkor primes in the same focal length range. While some of the prime lenses may be sharper (most are not), the overall resolution is limited by the sensor when the lens is capable of 200+ lp/mm.</p><p>The 55/2.8 AIS "Micro" is very useful for landscapes and, of course, moderate closeups (1:2 without extension tubes). It is a relatively simple lens, deeply recessed in the lens housing. These factors make it highly resistant to flare, so you can shoot with a strong backlight and get good contrast. Needless to say, it is also very sharp.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szrimaging Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>Remote is good, but not needed. Use mirror lockup mode and allow the vibrations from the mirror to die before shooting the image.</p><p>That said, of the lenses listed, the 50mm 1.8 would be my choice for sharpest.</p><p>But, I would look at a 35mm PC if you get a chance. This would allow corrections for converging lines, which would greatly aid in shooting any of the subjects mentioned.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Laur Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>I don't think you can mount the 35PC on a D90 (not enough clearance from the housing for the pop-up strobe ... you have to go to a D300/700/3 for that). And ... the D90 does not have a mirror lockup mode. Have to move up for that, as well. The solid tripod is indeed critical. If you don't use a remote, use the self timer - at least that way you're not touching the camera.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_in_PA Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>optimum aperture? for most lenses, just select f8 on a sturdy tripod. There is no mirror lockup on the D90, but there's an exposure delay mode that works just as well.</p> <p>How big do you print? My experience is that at f8 my worst lens is as sharp as my best at about 8 x 10 and smaller.</p> <p>If you need to shoot wider open, the 50 f1.8 is very nice. My 55mm f3.5 is probably my sharpest lens. My 35mm f1.8 is indistinguishable in my own unscientific tests from either of those, too. (edit... at f8 it is).</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_in_PA Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>I meant indistinguishable at f8...</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szrimaging Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>What, no mirror lockup on a D90?! Wow, I would have considered that as such a mundane feature that it would be on everything but the lowest tier. I really had no clue.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay_poel Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>Zach, it doesn't have mirror lockup but it does have an "exposure delay" you can turn on and off in the menu - mine is set up to easily find in the customizable "My Menu". It basically delays the shutter for approximately 0.5 seconds after the mirror flips up to help with the vibration. Seems to work pretty good IMO.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szrimaging Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>Oh, I thought exposure delay was just another name for "time delay". See, I should just stick to my D200 and shut up.</p> <p>So, the best results for Marco should be using a lens such as the 50mm f1.8, 55mm f2.8, or other such lens, on a tripod and using this exposure delay feature. A remote/cable release would be nice, but not 100% needed. Can you set the exposure delay to work with timer mode? If you can, then you can set the timer for 5 sec or more, and that would kill any vibration from hitting the button on the camera, and the exposure delay should take care of the mirror shake/slap.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_in_PA Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>exposure delay works just fine thanks. It does what you're basically doing with MLU anyway. Works great for me.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco_landini Posted September 1, 2010 Author Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>-D90 mirro lock-up : we could shoot in live view mode, I guess it would be similar to mirror lockup. Print size : I usualy print at the native resolution of the camera without intepolation, it means about 10x14 at 300 dpi. Focus Magic capture sharpening after nef to tiff conversion, then a bit of HiRaLoAm, and at the end a bit of output sharpening by Photokit. Would this sharpening workflow minimize the differences between those lenses in therms of apparent sharpness ?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szrimaging Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>You aren't going to see enough difference in sharpness from the lenses to make a difference, especially at that print size.</p> <p>Honestly, worry less about the gear, after establishing a few key workflow ideas, and more about the content of your images. It is the content that sells the image, not your skills (assuming decent competency) in the technical area.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_anderson Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>The D90 doesn't have mirror lockup but you can use Live View and get the same result. The mirror is locked up in the Live View mode.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Laur Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <blockquote> <p>The mirror is locked up in the Live View mode.</p> </blockquote> <p>Yes, it us up. But when you go to actually capture the image, the mirror drops/raises/drops in a complete cycle, thus introducing vibration anyway.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drjoder Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>Marco, I use the 17-50 Tamron as my walk-around lens and find it is pretty sharp, rivalling my primes at times (maybe I have a good copy???). On the tripod, do you turn off the VR, VC or whatever they call it? That might make it a bit sharper. The exposure delay mode others mention is also a must on the tripod. I'll also throw in a vote for the 50mm 1.8 as a prime...no experience with the 50mm 1.4 version.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_sirota1 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <blockquote> <p>when you go to actually capture the image, the mirror drops/raises/drops in a complete cycle, thus introducing vibration anyway.</p> </blockquote> <p>I don't have a D90, but on the D700 that's only true if Live View is in Handheld mode (so that the usual phase-detection autofocus sensor can do its thing). In Tripod mode, it doesn't drop the mirror when you capture, using contrast detection instead. Does the D90 have the two Live View modes? On the D700 it's in the Shooting menu.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Laur Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>That's not true of the D90 or the D300, Mark.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjørn rørslett Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>Not true of the D700 either, unless Nikon has replaced the original version of the D700 I tested back in 2008. Even in tripod mode, you get the stupid mirror flapping which totally defeats the purpose of LiveView (LV) for vibration-free photography.</p><p>Same story with D3, D3S, and D3X, if anyone hoped Nikon would get their act together on the LV issue.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco_landini Posted September 1, 2010 Author Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>So, would be the "delayed mode" more like mirror lock-up wise than "live view" mode ? Anyway, these features would increase actual sharpness as I got my camera well held on my manfrotto 055 ? By the way, I got some captures of my contax t2 camera handheld that are quiet comparable in sharpness to my shoots by rollei 6006 and planar on tripod, velvia film. Same enlargement , 10x14 to 14x14</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_kennedy9 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>Sharp lens? Old MF 105 mm f/2.5.<br> My D300 will meter with it, but not the D90. Still, the histogram will help you to zero in.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_sirota1 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>My apologies, I misremembered. The D700 does indeed flap the mirror when you take the shot even in tripod mode. How goofy!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Laur Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>Think of Live View as more of a focusing aid (it really is helpful on macro stuff, for example). The delayed mode (on the D90) is as close as you'll get to proper mirror lock-up, but it will definitely help.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Ingold Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 <p>The last small-format camera I had with mirror lockup was a Nikon F5. Modern SLRs have highly effective damping for the rising mirror. Most of the noise you hear during the exposure is the shutter itself, and most of the mirror noise (and shake) occurs when the mirror is lowered again.</p><p>Frankly, I seldom used this feature because it really isn't necessary. I'm convinced Nikon omitted the mirror lockup and removeable prisms from subsequent cameras is because they weren't often used and added unnecessary cost and complications. I do, however, use mirror lockup (pre-release) on my Hasselblad because it does make a noticeable difference at slow (<1/30) shutter speeds. The mechanism is far less sophisticated than on my Nikons, nearly 4x larger larger and heavier.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kivivuori Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 <p>According to Imatest results, the maximum resolution of the Nikon D90 sensor is 81 lp/mm.<br> See: http://www.photozone.de/dslr_reviews/409_nikon_d90?start=2<br> I belive you may notice the difference when using of these prime lenses like: AI/AIS 28/2, 28/2.8, 35/1.4, 50/1.8, 55/2.8 micro, 50/1.4, 105/2.5, 105/2.8 micro etc. Latest 50 mm version - AF-S 50mm/1.4G - is said to be extremely sharp between f/5.6 and f/8 but I can´t confirm that.<br> BR<br> Esa Kivivuori<br> Finland</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szrimaging Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 <p>Edward, someone on here (was it Shun?) did a test with mirror lockup vs. not mirror lockup. Mirror lockup was noticebly better in all situations. I have personally started using it and do notice sharper images when I use it. The only issue is, it is harder to use in certain situations. This delay might actually be a great alternative.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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