Reasons to select Canon

Discussion in 'Canon EOS' started by laleicasinlente, Jul 12, 2009.

  1. Hi guys
    I have been shootin with pentax for two years.
    My equipment (pentax k110 D + 18 - 55 kit lenses, tamron 70-300 and a pentax 40 mm f2.8 limited) does not fulfill my criteria about photography and now is the moment to change it.
    I'm in doubt about canon eos 450D (I dont know the USA name) or nikon D60.
    I like to do portraits and landscapes mainly.
    Could you give me some advice?
    Thanks in advance and good shoots,
    Mariano
     
  2. how does it not fufil your criteria?
     
  3. Since you are starting over, either camera would do, but so would a higher level Pentax, so why switch at all?
    You've already got some lenses for it, so why not keep them and build with nicer lenses as you go along?
     
  4. Reasons to go Canon:
    You like shooting very expensive ultrafast primes at DsOF that your camera can't handle.
    It doesn't rain where you live.
    Manual flash appeals to you.
    You buy low-end $ camera bodies (where Canon often excels).
    You look good in white.
    Just kidding. I'm with the stay-with-pentax crowd.
     
  5. Bob,
    When I use the camera indoor the color is not natural even if I change the white balance, outdoor is better than indoor.
    When I shoot in an automatic mode, I think that any compact camera do better.
    JDM,
    I like lenses with low f numbers and pentax hasn't this kind of lenes or they are very expensive.
    Thank you,
    Mariano
     
  6. I think it is true that we just focus too much on what is new or whatever else might be out there. Most of the time, we can just stay with what we have and if we learn to use it, it serves us well.
    There are reasons to switch systems, but there really should be a good reason why. If you are or want to be a pro, then switching to Canon or Nikon now might make sense. Not that the cameras are the only ones that will work in that market, but because it will be easier to find faster glass, rentals when you need a lens or accessory you don't have and they make the really high end product you will need for commercial work.
    But that said, if you are doing landscape and portrait work, it is hard to imagine that Pentax won't have a camera that will surpass or match the capabilities of either of the cameras you mention. If you were looking to get a Canon 1dsMKIII or the top of the line Nikon, it might be another story.
     
  7. Frankly, any of a number of cameras would be just fine. In the end it really barely matters, if it matters at all, whether you buy a comparable Nikon or Canon camera. In fact, in most cases - unless you have rather unusual and specific needs - Pentax and Sony also make excellent DSLRs.
    Dan
     
  8. 2 cents worth. For a significant upgrade to your K110D (sensor qualityand MP) Check out a Canon 500D (aka: Digital Rebel T1i) or a Nikon D90. You may also give Pentax a 2nd chance on their new and much improved K7. That said, your K110D and 40/2.8 limited combo should be able to produce good result. You won't get a day and night up-grade from that.
     
  9. "When I use the camera indoor the color is not natural even if I change the white balance"
    Are you shooting RAW or are you changing the Jpeg white balance settings? My Canon DSLR doesn't do a good job shooting Jpegs indoors. I use RAW and adjust in DPP.
    Pentax does have some wonderful prime lenses available. You would have to write a list of what lenses you want and compare what is availble from Pentax, Canon, and Nikon.
     
  10. Guys the economy is important too.
    This is an example about my equipment project:
    Pentax:
    DA 21/2.8 495€
    DA 40/2.8 350 €
    FAD 50/2.8 macro 500 €
    DA WC 70/2.4 530 €
    Total 1.875 €
    Canon:
    EF 20/2.8 USM 485 €
    EF 35/2.0 265 €
    EF 50/2.5 Macro 285 €
    EF 85/1.8 USM 380 €
    Total: 1.415 €
    If I could obtain a good price for my former equipment, probably a wil do a good deal.
    Thanks,
    Mariano
     
  11. You will spend many times the dollar amount on lenses than on camera bodies over the lifetime of a brand you own.
    Canon has the widest range of lenses, and has the lowest prices for high-end lenses.
    Over the last 10 years, up until the release of the 300D and D3 by Nikon, Canon held the top position for bleeding-edge camera bodies. They have the most in-lens AF models, and the most image-stabilizing lenses.
    Canon generally 'fixes' equipement (whether it's broken or not :) )within a week, maybe two (at least in the US).
    There's no reason to expect that Canon will fall from the position of leader of new technology, which they've held, or traded with Nikon, for decades.
     
  12. Mariano,
    One of the main reasons that I went with Canon was their intermediate level lens selection. I'm not a wealthy man and will probably not ever afford much in the way of L glass. However, when I looked at camera options, I noticed the substantially higher prices of Pentax and other companies' better lenses. That left me with the feeling that other than Canon, and maybe Nikon, would leave me with entry level glass that might not be as good as Canon's intermediate level, affordable glass.
    I have a Canon XSi and it suits my needs just fine, but I am shooting sheerly for the joy of shooting. Maybe some day I'll actually make some money from this hobby, who knows? I like landscape, candid portrait and street photography. I hope to get into macro, but that is a lens or two down the road.
    If you switch to Canon, you may think about keeping your 40 2.8 as it can be used on Canon EOS digital cameras with an adaptor ring, albeit as a manual focus lens. Just a thought.
    DS Meador
     
  13. Some time ago I switched for Pentax (film) to Canon (digital). My reasons for doing so were:
    • Selection of lenses and accessories.
    • Auto focus performance.
    • Wanted a full frame camera.
    I found the selection of Pentax lenses limited at the time and I found the in body auto focus motor to be very noisy on my camera. While Pentax has improved since then they still don't have the accessory selection of Canon and until recently, Canon was the only manufacture selling a full frame digital cameras. That said I did seriously consider Nikon.
    Nikon does have a good selection of accessories but in my opinion Canon has a more extensive lens selection. Additionally some Nikon lenses have built in auto focus motors while older ones used in body auto focus motors. Furthermore not all Nikon Cameras have the in body auto focus motors. So if you purchase a Nikon D40 or D60 your selection of auto focus lenses is only about half of the full Nikon lens offering. The Nikon Flash system is apparently better than Canon's but for me that wasn't an important factor at the time.
     
  14. A friend used to shoot with two Pentax film cameras, wanted to change to digital. Sold off his film cameras and lenses except for two. So he got a Pentax K10D. Works great, and he's satisfied with it. The problem is that the two lenses he kept from his film days were older Sigmas, nothing really great, so he started looking around for newer Pentax replacements.
    I personally have been using Canon cameras for about 40 years, and I'm on my fourth Rebel DSLR, an XSi. I've been able to find some really great bargain lenses for my camera on the local online swap meet called Kijiji. Canon gear is available most of the time. BUT there are hardly any Pentax lenses that might interest my friend. So he's had to buy Pentax lenses online, both over $400.00 each. They work as they should with his camera, but I've gotten about $1800.00 worth of almost new lenses for my Canon at a cost of $650.00. My friend would have been better off selling all of his Pentaxes at first and buying a Canon - that's what he now says!

    Something to think about, availability of lenses and accessories!
     
  15. While I am extremely happy with my Canon equipment - I use it along with MF digital and LF transparency and scans for my work - I agree with the others here that almost any of the current systems should be able to produce first rate images. The camera itself is merely the capture device, the image is created by the photographer - wonderful evocative, original images have been produced with point and shoots, and boring, mundane, pointless images produced with 1Ds Mk IIIs.
    Would a better word processor make you a better writer? It may be nicer to use, but the creative work is the domain of the writer / photographer. Much of the obsessing over minute differences between various cameras or systems can be expensive, time consuming and ultimately add little or nothing to the standard of images. If I were you I'd stick with Pentax and make sure you are getting the most out of the tools you have. Unless there is piece of equipment you can't get for your current system and that you absolutely need to get the results you want, I really don't think changing from one excellent system to another excellent system will make a lot of difference.
     
  16. Canon, due to lens selection for me. More importantly is usability and placement of controls so the camera doesn't interfere with the act of picture taking. (Which is why I still have a T90 in the kit for occasional use, just can't let it go).
     
  17. When I use the camera indoor the color is not natural even if I change the white balance, outdoor is better than indoor.
    I'm not familiar with the K110D but my Pentax K10D very rarely has white balance problems when I leave it on auto-white balance. You might want to consider upgrading the body or shooting in RAW if possible, which makes any white balance issues redundant if you have the time/skills.

    When I shoot in an automatic mode, I think that any compact camera do better.
    The compact is probably geared for auto mode, but it's definitely not the best way to get good results from a DSLR.

    I like lenses with low f numbers and pentax hasn't this kind of lenes or they are very expensive.
    While I only use (modern) zooms (and again I'm not sure on the K110D), one feature of the Pentax DSLR system is the ability to use old Pentax lenses - which I gather were mostly known for their great primes. Another, cheaper option to the Pentax range is the Sigma range with Pentax mounts. There are primes, fast (f2.8) zooms etc.
     
  18. I can see a change to Canon or Nikon would be tempting. More lenses, easier to make a deal on second hand stuff etc. I see no reason to go D500 unless you need the few extra megapixels and VDO, the 450D is a very good camera. Nikon I would go D90 as the D60 needs motor in lens which about 1/2 of Nikon lenses have, so that would limit you. Else it doesn't matter what you choose, both gives excellent results. My old man and my sister is Nikon users I am with Canon, the camera does not matter they take awesome pictures. However where I live Canon has cheaper quality lenses than Nikon so I save some on that, hence I stay with Canon.
    Just a rave about the dSLR video function, why in the heck would I use my dSLR for that? I best case it's a compromise and almost every el-cheapo video camera is far better for video than any of the dSLR's so I really don't get the hype... I got a cheap Panasonic SD video recorder which works better than any of the dSLR's it is so small it fits in my pocket as well so should I ever need to take video when I shoot photo (never so far) I can toss it with me. Probably next thing will be mobile phone, MP3 player or MSN in the dSLR or something silly...
     
  19. They have the most in-lens AF models, and the most image-stabilizing lenses.​
    Mariano, the OP, has suggested that his main interests are landscape and portrait. now i don't beleive that a small format dlsr is ideal for either applications, but autofocus is certainly not required. Mariano, are you after the latest techno digicam, or are you after the best tool for the job?
     
  20. Generally, Canon glasses are less expensive than the comparable in Nikon. Canon software, i.e. Digital Photo Professional, is free and good.
     
  21. If I could obtain a good price for my former equipment, probably a wil do a good deal.​
    DA 40/2.8 is the most expensive piece in your set by a good margin. You can get reasonable sum towards new system but nothing great and it may be difficult to find a buyer for K110D which lacks image stabilization and didn't it have some sort of problems with SDM lenses?
    Also, I don't really see what you'd gain by going with cheapest Canon primes (85/1.8 is great though). Pentax has plenty of very high quality primes and new zooms are very good too. Saving ~$400 in lens prices after changing systems is not that economical.
    New Pentax K7 looks simply great, it would be a huge upgrade from 110D (upgrade from 450D and D60 too) and weather resistant body may bring some peace of mind for a landscape shooter. Then there's Pentax K20D that offers extremely good price/performance right now, costs the same as 450D kit.
    Check these out before jumping to Canon.
     
  22. Howdy!
    I tried a friends Pentax camera, and I was pleasantly surprised by how ergonomic and well thought out it was. It has fewer features than an equivalent Canon, but it didn't leave out any critical ones, and it has several features (such as true ISO priority) that I would love to have in my 40D.
    I started out with Canon in 2005 because they had active CMOS sensors, and nobody else did. Now that most camera manufacturers have them, I would visit dpreview.com and see which camera fits your needs.
    Also, Canon's indoor automatic white balance is just as bad (if not worse) than Pentax.
    Later,
    Paulsky
     
  23. Bob,
    When I use the camera indoor the color is not natural even if I change the white balance, outdoor is better than indoor.
    When I shoot in an automatic mode, I think that any compact camera do better.
    lets translate: I don't know how to use my camera.
     
  24. Hi Mariano,
    I can see how changing your camera can be a bit confussing, and as you see on this tread you will get different opinions regarding what is best, Canon ppl will say canon and Nikon ppl will say Nikon, as for pentax i have to agree its a great system but if you ever need to rent equipment or even get it from a friend, chances are , it will be easier if you had a more popular camera, at least in this part of the world, eiter Canon or Nikon.
    If you are not used to either one system then you will have to learn how to use it, and use it properly so you can actually take advantage of what makes them great cameras.
    once you start building your system the price of the glass you buy will dwarff the price of any camera, and then you get to think how back compatibility of the lenses will play a role in your career. stop gueting confussed about the better system both are great,, pick one and lear to use it.
    Best regards JART
     
  25. Pentax is good. Canon is good. Nikon is good. They're all good, just small differences with each. If *you* are good, you'll take good pictures regardless.
    I like Canon's lens lineup the best. I like Nikon's bodies a bit more these days. My first and all-time favorite camera was a Pentax, so you won't catch me disparaging them in any way. If I were starting over now, I'm not sure what I'd do, mostly because none of the choices seem "bad" in any way. By that I mean you can buy any of the aforementioned stuff and it's pretty awesome.
    Try them all out, research the optics, the prices, etc, it mostly comes down to personal preference. But take the other advice that seems to be given a lot in this thread: it has little to do with your camera and more to do with you, so don't feel like you have to drop a whole system unless there's a serious flaw with it.
    All things being equal, I'd upgrade my Pentax body and keep the lenses if I were in your shoes. Nothing wrong with what you've got. Why buy all new lenses unless you're made of money?
     
  26. mariano, interesting about the lens prices, I didn't realize pentax would be mor for those lenses... that said, I switch from canon to pentax because of... the lens selection (contrary to some other here=). Canon just doesn't have many small well built primes, though I love teh 24mm 1.4L.
    based on your lens roadmap, i'd say
    the 20mm 2.8 eos has a bad reputation, though I've never used it, most say that the corner sharpness is not good, which, for me, makes it a bad landscape lens...
    the pentax 21mm has about the same max apeture and is very nice optically.
    I never liked the boke of the 35mm 2.0 eos, kinda distracting... I think the pentax version might be better built (don't have one), but it's harder to find now, so this is probably a wash.
    I'm getting sidetracked here, what I wanted to say, was that if you buy L lenses, canon is the way to go, but if you aren't I think pentaxes primes are better than canon's non L lenses by virtue of size and build quality (I also prefer the IQ, but that's a bit more subjective).
    Finally, I have to agree that you need to shoot in Raw and adjust the white balance in post... I know it's older but I had to in many cases with my 350D and I still do with my KM.
    have fun.
     
  27. Mariano, regarding lens prices, you are comparing apples and oranges. The Canon lenses you list are all plastic, while the Pentax primes (except the 50mm macro) are all part of the Limited series, which offer full metal construction and are much smaller than their Canon counterparts. These Canon and Pentax lenses are very different: The Canons are mid-level lenses while the Pentaxes your own are top-of-the line primes. The question probably isn't why they are more expensive than the Canon lenses, but rather why they aren't even more expensive, given their superior construction and proven IQ.
    However, if you don't worry too much about construction, then maybe a cheaper plastic alternative is a good thing. After all, they will all take photos.
    As far as camera bodies are concerned, you won't find a better camera than the Pentax K20D at that price point, and it will be a big step up for you from your K110D. And let's not forget that every lens you use on it will be stabilised, unlike with a Canon body. In-body stabilisation is especially well suited for landscape and portraits.
    Having said all this, I will recommend that you move to Canon. The fact that you're doing the math on lenses and scouting cameras tells me you have already decided to jump ship. Nothing wrong with that. You should go with whatever makes you happy, and photography is a hobby which should ultimately bring us joy.
    But bear this in mind: After your change, your photos will look exactly the same.
     
  28. The Pentax K-7 will do nine HDR-ready (multiple exposure) frames at 5fps - just sayin'... After buying a Canon body plus lenses, you could more than pay for a K-7 ($1300).
     
  29. Thanks to all of you.
    Your advices makes me feel two things:
    1.- Doesn't matter the system or the brand that you use (the most important thing is the photographer's eye).
    2.- The photo.net comunity is a real "free minds" comunity without influences of the main photographic brands.
    My way of thinking is sometimes different or you could call it special. After all I decide to own a 450D mainly because I think that I'm going to feel more confortable with this camera (Don't you ask me why).
    I'll hope the best shoots for all of you (and from time to time one good shoot for me).
    Thanks again,
    Mariano
    P.D.: I always shoot in raw and I process all my photos with Lightroom and for Bob, I'm not an advanced user like probably he is but I always read the manuals so I don't agree with his translation.
     
  30. This has been stated above, but I'll say it again for emphasis. The lens list you show early in the post is comparing very high quality Pentax primes (roughly L equivalents) to non-L Canon lenses. Although the Pentax list is more expensive, they are better lenses (though the EF 85/1.8 is awesome). And most Canon users will concede that one of Canon's shortcomings is wide-angle image quality. The fact that you have are desiring primes makes me think you are looking for a compact setup, and the new K7 is probably the most capable small DSLR out there. At least check it out before you switch.
    Having said that, I was a former Pentax film shooter, and now use Canon digital (with a medium format stop in between). When I used Pentax I envied the accessories available from companies like Nikon and Canon, and that's one of the reasons that I went with Canon when I went digital. This effect is even greater now that third-party knockoffs accessories are available on eBay from China.
     
  31. hi Mariano,
    I am a Canon dSLR user welcome to the world of Canon. I was curious, why 450D and not 40D/50D? Have you tried them out or do research before you decided to switched?
     
  32. @Peter Popp: Note that Canon reserves their L designation for zooms and telephoto or super tele lenses. Their primes are quite good quality both in build (except for the 50 f/1.8, which is less than $100US) and optical quality (all of them).
    @OP: One thing to remember is that when you buy an SLR you are buying into a system. Canon and Nikon have the most extensive systems and are probably the best long term investment. As far as choosing one or the other -- there really isn't much to choose. However, the Nikon D60 does lack an in body AF motor, and this has been the backbone on the Nikon AF system for a couple of decades. With the D60, you will be limited to Nikon lenses with an internal AF motor, which significantly limits you choice in lenses.
    Now, I am a Canonista and have been shooting with Canon equipment for about 20 years. How did I get into the Canon system? When I was getting back into photography after an absence of about 5 years I bought a Canon P+S. Took a few pictures with it and the images were really good, but I just didn't have enough control so onto the SLR. I started out with a Rebel G. Liked the images, found that it was lacking some features I was used to with a fully manual camera. Since I already had a couple of lenses getting an upgraded Canon body was the ticket. I got an Elan II, which had pretty much everything I wanted. Got a few more lenses. A flash. Basically, the Canon system had everything I needed to progress in photography. Macro lens, macro flash. Good tele lens. Angle finder for low angle shots, basically everything I needed to optimize my system for the kind of photography I like to do (in this case nature in all its' forms, think of me as a way less talented John Shaw).
    Now some people here will say that the body is only a tool. That was true back in the pre-AE, pre fancy metering modes in the body days. However, sometimes there are better tools than others. For example, if you are roofing a nice pneumatic hammer is much easier to use than a plain old hammer. These days, there are real differences in between bodies as far as AF speed and available metering modes are concerned. For example if you want true spot metering from a low cost body, you just aren't going to get it. This does not mean that you can't use this form of metering, you just need to spend several hundred dollars on an external spot meter and use the camera in manual mode. This is a lot slower than using a body which has 1% or 2% spot metering built into the body (most bodies have a 9% or so "partial spot", this is not a substitute). In a similar vein, AF performance varies considerably between bodies, with most bodies performing better with faster lenses.
     
  33. @Peter Popp: Note that Canon reserves their L designation for zooms and telephoto or super tele lenses. Their primes are quite good quality both in build (except for the 50 f/1.8, which is less than $100US) and optical quality (all of them).​
    Huh? There are L primes available in the 14, 24, 35 and 50 mm focal lengths. All quite good from what I understand, though I haven't shot with any of them. I own the 50/1.8 and also agree it is optically very good and a great deal. My point was that the OP's list comparing Canon and Pentax primes isn't an even comparison. Even a comparison with "L" primes isn't fair, because the L primes are considerably faster, so they should cost even more still. But I stand by my original comment that the Pentax lenses in that list are higher quality, and should cost more.
     
  34. You are right, I made a mistake. All said, the L lenses are very fast, but the slower standard primes as still very good. Quite frankly, glancing at the reviews of the various lenses on www.photozone.de it doesn't seem as though the Pentax lenses are any better or worse than the Canon lenses, both in build quality and optical quality.
    However, if the OP can find lenses he likes in the Pentax line, and is not completely turned off by the abilities of the bodies, he should stick with Pentax.
     
  35. Leaving aside the various pro- and anti-Canon posts cropping up here, the fact remains that you are talking about exchanging one consumer dSLR for another. So the poster that wrote:
    But bear this in mind: After your change, your photos will look exactly the same.
    has probably got it right. This is not a disaster if all you really want is a different camera to fondle, but if you want to move into a different level of image characteristics, then you should be looking at either full frame bodies, or modular systems like the Hasselblads or Mamiya, or go right over to 35mm, roll film or sheet film cameras.
    It's OK, these are all valid scenarios - just make sure you are doing what you really want to do before you put down your money.
     
  36. This evening I shoot my 450D for the first time and this are my feelings:
    1.- I'm the same kind of photographer (just a beginer).
    2.- The automatic modes in the canon are better than the pentax ones.
    3.- The pictures looks more natural in the canon than in the pentax.
    4.- The kit lens has more plastic in the canon but I think that image quality is better in canon too.
    5.- The feeling when you press the shooter is better too (smooth and without noise).
    6.- Indoor pictures using automatic modes are not a lot of red like in my old pentax.
    Thanks,
    Mariano
    P.D.: For Michael, I think that, for the moment, I have a more complex camera than I can manage.
    After all, I'm very pleased with my new camera and when I learn to use it I could pay atention only to the picture that I want to see in my computer.
     
  37. It's important to note here that the Pentax K110D was a mid-2006 camera, an 'entry-level' DSLR - as they call them - three generations of Pentax DSLR's ago, and the Canon 450D is a 2008 camera, with twice the MP count for a start. Sounds like it's going well though.
     
  38. Pentax K110D vd Canon 450D = Oranges vs Limes
    :)
    Glad you're enjoying the new camera, though.
     
  39. Canon may or may not be better than Pentax, but switching because of white balance issues makes no sense. I've used several models of both Canon and Nikon, and none of them does acceptable white balance indoors. That's why you use Lightroom!
     
  40. Wow, this discussion has gone quite wild while I've been gone. A few more thoughts:
    • It is important to place all of the "advice" seen here against your actual photographic needs. For example, one post includes a paragraph on "spot metering." You almost certainly don't need and will not use spot metering. (Hint: it isn't intended for metering a very small area instead of the whole frame - it is the basis of essentially a zone system approach. For virtually everyone using a DSLR it is unneeded and not used - the histogram is faster and probably better.)
    • Yes, there are "differences" between cameras. But the question is "are they significant to your photography?" You can go nuts trying to parse out "differences" that don't make any difference to you. (The thread above mine pointing out that "white balance issues" are not significant is a good response to that issue.)
    • We have in this thread some examples of why you must be very, very careful about trusting the authority of people who post here. (Yes, do apply this to me as well.) When someone tells us that the "L" designation is reserved for zooms and super-telephotos, it might make you wonder a bit about the quality of the other advice from the poster, yes?
    • There can be a bad sample from any brand and any product. There is one particular angry Canon story in this thread - if you look around I'm sure you can find one equally awful story from a Nikon, Pentax, or Sony user. (This tendency is not, of course, limited to cameras - cars provide many similar stories.) The real question is usually "is there a general sense that the products of this company are good or bad?"
    You need a decent camera system appropriate for the sort of photography you do. That could be a Canon, a Nikon, a Sony, a Pentax DSLR - or it could be any of a variety of other camera systems. It could be anything from one of the very fine entry level cameras (with which you can do things that photographers could not do with the very best 35mm cameras a few decades ago) to the most expensive "pro" body - but more expensive is not necessarily better for you.
    As someone else suggested above, pick one of these systems and get to the business of making photographs.
    Dan
     
  41. I'll disagree with G Dan on one thing: Spot Metering. Not just for zone system metering! I use it very often, in fact, I use it every time I shoot a portrait. The histogram comes after the photo is taken, but spot metering gives me the correct exposure before I take the photo. When you're taking candids (not talking about studio applications here), getting the exposure correct before you take the winning shot is imperative.
    But maybe that's just me.
     
  42. Even though I own a lot of Canon gear, I would take a close look at the Pentax K-7. The camera sounds like a real winner and you could probably use your current Pentax glass.
     

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