gerry_szarek Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 Check out this site http://www.dp-now.com/archives/000677.html#Top%20of%20page the short version is ONLY 10,000 copies to be made, 1/2 going to Japan. The site will be updated shortly with more information. I probably will NOT be getting one for Christmas if only 10K made. Gerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brambor Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 I like the idea of hiding/protecting the digital display on the camera back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbq Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 I won't be getting any (not owning any compatible glass, it's just too damn expensive, and I'd upgrade my 10D to a 1DmkII instead), but I have to admit that it's a very sweet-looking piece of camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_kaplan1 Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 At $3,000.00 US I think a lot of people might just wait and see what Leica/Panasonic comes up with eventually. That's a lot of rolls of film! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike dixon Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 Or a 10D or *istD and a set of lenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikep1 Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 Interesting - these are the first pictures I have seen that really give a good idea of the size of the camera. It looks much bigger than I first thought it was. That, coupled with the price, coupled with the lack of wide-angle capability (non-full frame sensor) takes it from the "hmmm...interesting!" level to that of a "solution for which there is no problem" However, it is a nice effort by a rangefinder fan who happens to be a wealthy businessman with the means to do better for his next attempt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_duffy1 Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 3,500 USD??? WAY too expensive. 200 rolls of color film with processing and prints. 1,500 rolls of B&W. Think of the things you should do with that money... Take care, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majid Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 I find it amusing that people who do not balk at the $2700 price for a MP find $3000 expensive. This camera will sell out, given the huge Leica fondler market in Japan alone. Frankly, Leica lenses are overkill for a current generation digital sensor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikep1 Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 I don't think $2700 vs $3000 is really the issue. There is a perceived value in Leica M's; there is none in an epson camera. It doesn't mean that the Epson is not a good piece; it may be. Many people will consider spending several thousand dollars on a Rolex watch. I don't believe anyone would consider spending that on a new Epson watch no matter what it looks like or what it does. Perceived value is the vital issue in the luxury item market, actual value doesn't mean much. If actual value was the real issue, everyone but the pros would be using throw-away cameras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_kieltyka1 Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 I don't think this camera is aimed at the Rolex crowd. It's for people who like the combination (and potential synergy) of high tech capability and retro control. Me for instance. I don't give a hoot about "luxury" items but I find the R-D1 very appealing. It won't be stuck in a glass case and admired...it'll be used. For wide-angle capability there's the Cosina Voigtländer 12mm f/5.6, which covers a wider field-of-view on the R-D1 than does the widest Leica M lens (the 21mm f/2.8) on an M camera. Also there's the Voigt 15mm f/4.5. -Dave- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socke Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 3000 Euro is the price for a M7 in Germany :-( A Web search gives prices ranging from 2599 to 3199 for a black 0.58. A digital M will be unavailable at least for another two years, so this is the only possible way to get a true digital rangefinder. And if my memory serves me, the estimated price for the digital R8/9 back will be around 4500 Euro and it is APS sized! So don't expect a digital M below 7000 Euro. And for wideangel, the VC 12mm gives you the field of view of an 18mm lens on 35mm film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug herr Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 Fazal Majid wrote: <I>I find it amusing that people who do not balk at the $2700 price for a MP find $3000 expensive</I><P>I wonder if the people who are balking at the price of the R-D1 are the same people who are buying the MP - or are you lumping all Leica users into the same cubbyhole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew n.bra hrefhttp Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 <em>And for wideangel, the VC 12mm gives you the field of view of an 18mm lens on 35mm film.</em><p> Yes - for an additional $US 800+ and at two stops slower (f5.6 vs f2.8). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patricks Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 definitely a no go for me, but i'm just happy that they've started development. in a couple of generations, this thing will be 8-10MP, full frame for less than $2K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just eric Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 I agree with Patrick. As long as there is a shell, the interior improvements (ie. resolution, ccd size etc. ) will come with time. Price will come down eventually to what people will be willing to pay, which is not necessarily what it should be worth. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_w. Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 At that price it makes it a fairly easy decision to pick up a Minolta A2 or Canon Pro1 while waiting for either a) price drop on RD-1 or b) digital-M. And I don't understand why people think it is comparable to drop $3k on an MP/M7 vs. the same on ANY digital camera. The history of obsolescence (real market or perceived) in the digital spaces makes spending that kind of money very difficult to justify unless you truly are made of dollars/euros/pounds or a working pro. YMMV... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_britt1 Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 I will wait until it's full frame for the lenses on either this or a Leica model... it's not fun seeing your 35mm become a 75! or the 50 almost 100mm...not for me... I'll scan my M stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christopher. Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 10,000 copies x $3000 = 30,000,000. That pays for a lot of the tooling and research required for further advancements. Be sure the RD2 will be much less money and will fix whatever quirks the RD1 will have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne_murphy8 Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 This is a most cynical and disgusting piece of marketing by Epson. They have set a ridiculously high price but then tried to make the camera 'exclusive' by saying that only 10,000 will be produced. In other words, trying to create a 'collector' mentality about it. It is a clunky solution to an elegant problem. Hopefully, reviewers will not be blinded by the blatant attempt to link the camera to Leica's high profile and will review it objectively. Don't hold your breath. Hopefully it will backfire and go the same way as the Leica O Series and the Nikon S3 (2000). Both now a fraction of their original price with plenty of S3s unsold. Don't be silly enough to buy this Epson RD1 (Ripoff Deal1). This is about the most blatant opportunist strategy I have seen for a long while. But that's only my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msitaraman Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 With a 1.0x viewfinder and a Nikon D100 sensor, they would have been better off aiming squarely at the Leica M camera crowd by pricing it competitively at $1,500. Lot of us toying with the idea of a second M body, or a DSLR, would test the digital waters the Epson way, especially if it meant using our existing Leica M lenses and saving money. But Fazal is absolutely right about the fondler Leica market in Japan. It has to be seen to be believed. Shop after shop with shrink wrapped M3 etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majid Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 About Japanese collectors, <a href="http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/leica_m6.shtml#Poppies">this anecdote</a> is quite amusing (scroll back one page above the poppies) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barefoot Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 Even as I write this, hundreds of people are buying the <i>ludicrously</i> priced D2 which has a UK street price of $2340. This camera will sell. In fact, I foresee rivers of blood.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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