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Discussion in 'Casual Photo Conversations' started by Sanford, Oct 5, 2017.

  1. If you were pulling your camera out of the bag and inadvertently hit the shutter release, and somehow took a great photo, could you, in good conscience, take full credit for it?
     
  2. I don't let my conscience get too involved in such matters. I reserve my conscience for guilt about sex! :rolleyes:

    Seriously, though, I don't take full credit for my photos to begin with. I like to think of them as shared with the human and non-human subjects I shoot, who often give as much as me to the photo. And I think accidents and luck are always at play, even when they're not as obvious as in the situation you describe. I try to keep it more about sharing than ownership or ego.
     
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  3. Sandy Vongries

    Sandy Vongries Moderator Staff Member

    "You got that varmint right through the head, heck of a shot!" Don't bother to mention you were holding on the body.
     
  4. Most people will admit to taking a lucky shot. It adds to the mystique of the photo, I think. There are a few photos which have taken that surprised me when I saw them later.
     
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  5. Sandy Vongries

    Sandy Vongries Moderator Staff Member

    With film more than digital, I'd wager.
     
  6. I think, photography involves as much selecting as composing. If I am able to identify an accidentally clicked photo as noteworthy, instead of throwing it away, I would feel good about it (although not necessarily feeling overly proud). But I think, more important is to identify a good photo(s) and find what I can learn from it, regardless of whether I took it or someone else. Placing credit seems secondary to that goal (although I admit credit determination is important when it comes to copyright infringement). In some cases, credit seems less relevant. For example, it doesn't matter to Vivian Maier anymore whether we give her credit or not for her work. But it matters to us, whether we acknowledge her works and study them or learn from them.
     
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  7. This may be a topic for PETT (People for the Ethical Treatment of Things). If you have never used a light meter (or educated guess) for exposure, nor twisted the focusing ring of a lens, it's obvious you are not a photographer, just someone who pushes a button. With cameras so intelligent, it's only a matter of time before their rights are argued in a court of law. It was a close call for the apish selfie, but apes may be more intelligent than many people I see on television. Give it time, and things will be sorted out in regular order.
     
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  8. Well, you had to turn it on before you tripped the shutter. So some thought went into it.
     
  9. Not exactly like inadvertently hitting the shutter release, I once accidentally double exposed an entire roll of 35mm Ektachrome. I had to do a portrait of someone for a photography class, but I had already shot the whole roll on random things. The result was "very creative." I presented the results in class and everyone thought I was extremely creative, even the teacher. Did I admit to my wrong doing? Not a chance! Here's one of the shots.

    Bill and Water01.jpg
     
  10. Steve, tut tut. Lying to the class . . . almost as bad as sex! Where IS your conscience? ;)
     
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  11. Sandy Vongries

    Sandy Vongries Moderator Staff Member

    Gotta say, using two cameras working fast in and out of the bag, most accidentals have been the inside of the camera bag.
     
  12. Joe Rosenthal essentially did that with the iconic photo of Iwo Jima. His version which I accept was that he was there and leaving when he shot over his shoulder at some activity with the raising of a replacement flag. Packed the film up and sent it back to the states. He was surprised by the momentum it gained. There is so much unanticipated luck for many great street photographs and credit is given for the ability to just be there. Yes they own the rights and should get credit. but the photo itself should be evaluated for what it is also, not who took it.
     
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  13. Good grief, Sanford. Can you truly say, if I don't let you look at it while I'm asking you, that you even know all of what's in your own fully intentionally made pictures? I'll guarantee you that you don't. If you don't know it's there, how can you take credit for it being there?

    If you're asking if people think they own their accidental didn't-see-it-being-made pictures (as opposed to "take full credit for"), the fastest way to find out the truth is to take said picture and edit it massively, then post it on a public web site without attribution. If an enraged response ensues from some quarter, there's who believes he/she owns the thing. Or better yet, confess immediately that you took the picture from whomever but that you know they wouldn't mind ... and so now it's yours.
     
  14. Tony Parsons

    Tony Parsons Norfolk and Good

    May be ? There's doubt ?
     
  15. What is this "on" switch of which people speak? :)

    (I have to admit that I'm bad about not turning off cameras-I learned on cameras where-if you had an off switch-it was a shutter button lock and nothing more. I use Nikon Fs and F2s a decent amount-the F doesn't have a shutter lock, and I only remember the F2 about half the time. My medium format cameras generally have fiddly twist locks around the shutter button, and the only lock on LF cameras is not cocking the shutter until ready. I generally turn off DSLRs, when I'm putting them away, but at the same time almost never touch the switch on my F4).
     
  16. Actually, no, I would say the opposite, based on what I can remember.
    LOL I love this!

    Let's also remember that in every field, there are happy accidents. Nylon and Gore-Tex are two examples.
     
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  17. "We don't make mistakes-we just make happy little accidents."
     
  18. Any photo I took while pulling my camera out of my pack would be an uninspiring black because of my lens cap. This is related to but less embarrassing than the rolls I shot as a teenager with my dad's Leica and the lens cap still firmly in place while shooting.
     
  19. YES not a doubt in my mind
    this is a measure of the low bar of my conscience
    makes for a joyful, unfettered life...
     
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  20. It takes a lot of talent put a loaded camera in to a bag, let alone take it out. Years of practice has made me a master at accidental shooting.
     
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