Platinum!

After much hemming and hawing and having the equipment around for a while, I've finally begun making Platinum/Palladium (Pt/Pd) prints, about a dozen over the last two weeks of pretty intensive printing, from 8X10 and 12X20 in camera negs, using the traditional developing out process and not POP/Ziatypes. I've really been very excited and drawn in by the whole process, the hand-coating, the degree of control of contrast and color, the relative ease of printing negs with a very broad tonal range that were painful or impossible in silver, the warmth of the image and the ability to render with great subtlety and force values at the very lightest end of the scale. All the stuff that everybody else likes, I guess! It seems that much of silver printing involves various tricks at the time of shooting/processing (eg the Zone System) or printing (dodging, burning, VC papers, etc)to get around the fact that our eyes can easaily take in a brightness range of a dozen or two stops (I should know the exaxct #: I'm an ophthalmologist!), but silver papers can only print a fraction of this. Pt/Pd accomodates so much of a broader range that I feel I can really focus more on the presentation of the image and less on technical "tricks" like dodging and burning, which can be maddeningly difficult to repeat.

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I know there are a number of people following this site who have extensive experience with Pt/Pd (Carl Weese comes immediately to mind). Those of you with experience, what appeals, or doesn't appeal, to you about Pt/Pd? (you can leave $ and time out for the minute, just talking about the results and one's control over them, or any other subjective aspect you'd like to comment on) Do you tend to do most of your work in silver or Pt/Pd? Do you prefer Ziatype or developing out processes, and why? When will you go for Pt/Pd and when for silver, if you use both? I guess I'm curious to elicit people's subjective feelings about the Pt/Pd process and its place in their work.

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Finally, I'm not looking to Pt/Pd as a panacea, or a "fix" for work I'm unsatisfied with. I've actually been happier than ever with my silver prints recently, but had always been curious about the Pt/Pd process and just found time recently to take the plunge. I think I may be hooked!

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I have read Carl Weese's and Dick Arentz's books, by the way, and several other general refs on Alt process, and have spent some time on the B+S alt process server, though not actively posted there.

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Thanks for your thoughts, and Happy Holidays!

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Nathan

Welcome to the addictive world of Pt/Pd printing.

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In all seriousness, I choose platinum for pictures I think will look

better that way. For what started me with the process, I have to

credit my partner (who is a painter). She kept telling me that I would

never be happy with my contact prints of New England woodland scenes

unless I bit the bullet and started printing them in platinum. She was

right.

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Silver remains more brilliant: pictures that want this quality still

look best in silver. Soft subjects (like those woodland scenes) can be

shown wonderfully in Pt/Pd. Hard subjects (architecturals come to

mind) are often better in silver. You're right that it can be easier

to encompass extreme brightness ranges in platinum, but don't miss

exploring the opposite possibility. A scene with very little scale

(mist and fog for example) often fails in silver unless the scale is

artificially expanded, while a platinum print faithfully showing the

all-gray short scale of the original subject can be evocative and

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Hi Nathan,

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I dabbled a bit in Pt/Pd quite a number of years ago and I agree with Carl

that the images which require more subtle shades/tones seem to be the

ones that work best - well for me anyway. I found that the subject

(tone/contrast/what is trying to be conveyed) plays a big part in choosing

between silver or platinum. Portraits that I tried, looked good with this

process, particularly for some reason on darker skinned people. I also got

some excellent results with images of older New York buildings, so

architechture worked with this process for me too, but perhaps they wouldn't

have looked so good with modern architecture.

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I only did 4x5 contacts so I probably wasn't getting the most out of it, but I

was hooked then and it is only because I have moved around a lot in the last

few years that has prevented me from taking it up again.

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I'm seriously looking at trying to make larger digital negatives from 4x5 to see

if they will produce a good result. Anyone who has tried this, please

comment.

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It's a great process and what makes it interesting for me is the subtle colour

and tones that can be achieved with a real "handmade" process, and the

slow and thought-provoking aspect of the process, much like LF photography

- an oasis in the middle of a digital revolution.

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Kind regards

Peter brown

Hi Nathan

I got hooked on platinum after seeing a Paul Strand exhibit several

years ago. I started with precoated "Palladio" paper and that really

got me hooked, when the Palladio company started having trouble with

their paper stock I had to start handcoating to keep printing in this

wonderful medium. I have made a few attempts at making silver prints

but usually not happy with the results, too hard to make a good

silver print! I think my heart just isn't in it. I love seeing fine

silver prints but I guess it's just not my thing.

Good luck with your platinum printing and Happy New Year

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William Blunt

Nathan,

Welcome to the club! I shouldn't really comment on the platinum vs.

silver question, because I'm one of the few oddballs who have

actually made more Pd/Pt prints than silver prints. However, my

results with Pd/Pt have been very satisfying after a short learning

period. Short, mainly because of the excellent Weese/Sullivan book!

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I'm not too enamored with the POP Ziatype, because the contrast can

be too low for my taste. Although, this may be due to lack of

experience with Zia contrast control and is very subjective. I saw

fantastic Ziatypes at this year's APIS meeting that far exceeded what

I�ve accomplished with Zia. I�m happiest with my traditional develop-

out Pd/Pt prints and most recently have switched to the Pt+4 approach

for contrast control. Bostick & Sullivan call their Pt+4 salt "Na2

Platinum". Lately, I�ve started to develop my negatives using Sandy

King's Pyrocat-HD (see: unblinkingeye.com) and have found it to be a

very good developer for Pd/Pt negatives.

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I shoot 8x10 and very recently 8x20 on a crude, but functional,

homebuilt 8x20 back. Best of luck with your Pd/Pt printing and Happy

New Year!

There are few questions I've often wanted to ask, so I hope you don't

mind sidetracking a little here:-

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For negatives, is it correct to overexpose by one stop and develop

for twice the usual time?

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What is the ideal film density range if read by a densitometer?

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Do you require specially tailored (digitally altered) negatives to

make 'perfect' prints?

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Can normally camera-exposed negatives yield the desired tonal

relation within the image since the process is self-masking?

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Many Thanks,

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Aaron

There are few questions I've often wanted to ask, so I hope you don't

mind sidetracking a little here:-

>For negatives, is it correct to overexpose by one stop and develop

>for twice the usual time?

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Film speed should be the same or a little higher than you get from the

same film for silver printing. Development should be 50% to 75%

more--double is apt to be too much for subjects of normal dynamic

range. Pyro development also can yield excellent negatives that print

either way.

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<What is the ideal film density range if read by a densitometer?

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A range of at least 1.6, and 2.00 is fine as well. Bear in mind

densitometer readings from 'real' negatives are tricky because the

probe seldom gets to read a pure single tone as it does with grayscale

tests.

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<Do you require specially tailored (digitally altered) negatives to

<make 'perfect' prints?

<Can normally camera-exposed negatives yield the desired tonal

<relation within the image since the process is self-masking?

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Good results can be had with either digital or traditional enlarged

negatives, but they never match the magic of a print made directly

from an in-camera negative. For many, the direct contact print from

in-camera negative is the ultimate platinu

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Dear Nathan,

Came across your notions and questions about platinum printing when I

searched the web through a search engine for my own new site

Platinumportraits.com

Not on the search engines yet, though have a look at the site if you

like to see what I'm at here in London England. I just love making

portraits of men in their later years, and without a doubt, platinum

palladium on watercolour paper, 30inches by 20, gives a depth and

presence that I just don't get with silver. As someone else remarked,

silver gives great brilliance, but to convey the quietness I love in

my portraits, Platinum's the thing. I've never tried to print

platinum myself; I'm lucky to know a painter in Gloucester England

who spends some of his time printing platinum. Lucky me!

John-David Biggs, Platinumportraits.com