matthewkane Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 I live downtown in a metropolitan city. Homelessness seems to be on the rise. I look out my apartment windows and see them everyday. I am compelled to do a project on them as they are largely forgotten and overlooked. I think this would be an interesting subject indeed. My questions are... what kind of techniques can I utilize to convey the sense of their situation? I'm thinking studio shots with no props. So what lens techniques, lighting, etc could aide in this kind of thing? Also I want to do some of them being cheerful if at all possible, so don't get the wrong idea. I also wanted to know if anyone has ever considered this? What can I do just offer them money for their time and for them signing a release? Am I crazy? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kim_ramsey Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 I'm not sure why you'd want to go the 'studio' way. Why not go into the street and shoot candidly? "Also I want to do some of them being cheerful if at all possible" I'm not sure there is anything cheerful about being homeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tholte Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Mathew, "Also I want to do some of them being cheerful if at all possible, so don't get the wrong idea." "What can I do just offer them money for their time and for them signing a release?" "Am I crazy?" Yup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beauh44 Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Hi Matthew, Like the others, I don't think it's necessarily a good plan to bring homeless people into your studio. Besides, if you want to "convey the sense of their situation" I'm not sure a studio shot would do that. I've taken shots of homeless people - for better or worse - just walking around and without asking permission. Sometimes I'll smile and make a gesture towards my camera to see if they object first, but more often than not I'll just snap the picture surrepticiously. (sp?) The folks over in the Street Photography forum could probably be a lot of help. Most of those guys (and girls!) seem to prefer a wide(ish) lens and shots taken rather up close and personal. Although I think one can still get very nice images with a telephoto, which has the advantage of being less obvious and intrusive. Cheerful? I dunno... Unfortunately there are many homeless people who have varying degrees of mental illness. (Not all of course; some are just down on their luck) But usually a "career" homeless person is homeless because they just can't fit in and that's usually for a reason. You'd want to be very careful about trying to cheer some people up or bringing them home to your studio. Here's a few of mine that aren't particularly good but I like 'em for different reasons: http://www.photo.net/photo/3421714 http://www.photo.net/photo/3632225 <--this guy's a good example of someone you probably don't want in your studio! http://www.photo.net/photo/3622010 <--Ditto for this fellow who was utterly wasted at about 10:30 in the morning. http://www.photo.net/photo/3603328 <--I'm no shrink but this woman doesn't look like she's exactly got it all together. So be careful out there and check out some of the excellent work the people in the Street forum are doing. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay ott Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Since they're homeless, why not make friends with them and ask them to move in with you until you get your shots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer valencia Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 hi Matthew, I agree about the "not in your studio" part, but apart from that, it seems like a cool idea. I DO think that homeless people can be cheerful on occasion. Come on, folks -- they're still people, and some of them are only recently homeless, or still know how to enjoy life as best they can. I used to live in NYC and we had many homeless people around my apartment. They ranged from harmless to humorous to downright scary. One guy would ask for money; if you gave a small amount of change, he'd get in your face and accuse you of being cheap. Sometimes he'd say, "I have AIDS and I'm going to stab you with a needle of mine if you don't give me another dollar." Another guy would beg right outside my local subway station; he would joke and talk and lots of poeple sort of got to know him, at least a bit. One time he disappeared. We asked where he was, and were told he was on vacation on Jamaica. I sincerely hope that was true. he would have been a GREAT subject for a photo shoot! I think you should talk to people who seem "ok" in terms of mental stability. Treat them with respect. Offer to buy a meal or bring them a sandwich in return for a photo. Ask for a photo release form. Just because they are homeless doesn't mean that the copyright & photo rights laws don't apply to them. ESPECIALLY if you want to publish! Good luck! I'd love to see your work when you get some of these shots. Jennifer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dean_lastoria Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 http://www.highway99.com/lclarkes/heriones/index.html A few years back in Vancouver Lincoln Clarkes took photos of our Downtown East side -- poorest postal code in Canada. http://www.highway99.com/lclarkes/art.html I if memory serves he may have used LF gear -- at least a tri-pod. Lots of controversy -- expletive etc. Then the whole missing women thing happened later. Not that they were linked or anything, but people then had faces burned in their memory. Good luck. Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dean_lastoria Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 That word was supposed to be "exploitive". (Spell cheker!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan_dzo Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 I often work with homeless people in my job. They have highs and lows, just like the rest of us. Unfortunately, because of the precarious nature of their existence, these tend to be lower than most of us go and higher (often drug assisted). You've defined your interest in them through their lack of a home and the fact that you see them on the street, so that's where you must photograph them. They tend to spend a lot of time on the side walk sitting or lying. Most of us don't adopt that position, so perhaps get down to their level and see the world as they do. I've often thought of taking some tripod mounted shots just off the pavement with a slow shutter speeed. The homeless person would be sharp as they are immobile, but the mass of humanity would rush past, blurred and ignoring them. Just an idea. If you're freezing in January and hungry, I'm sure you'd sign a model release for a few bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipling Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 <a href="http://www.axelhoedt.com/">this</a> is from a photographer i know in london. go to the documentary projects section and check out the squatters project. i think it's nicely done, much more interesting shooting these people out of their element imo. i especially like the question and answer page to sum it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will king Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Matthew, I agree with the comments above. Why not shot these people on their turf? If you take them into your studio, you'll lose the <b> homeless </b> aspect. <br> <br> <i> My questions are... what kind of techniques can I utilize to convey the sense of their situation? </i> <br> I would definitely go with B&W. I don't understand the cheerful idea, I can just imagine an old bag lady with pom poms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarten_van_viegen Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 how about setting up a studio inside a homeless shelter. and shoot them there instead of at your studio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholasprice Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Have a look at some of Richard Avedon's portraits of Mid West American Drifters for some inspiration. He had their permission and cooperation, and had the satisfaction of paying them for a job well done. His results were marvelous - some of his greatest work. This is more "honest" than the ubiqutious candid street shot which often have an uneasy voyeristic quality, even if done as documentry work! N<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewkane Posted December 30, 2005 Author Share Posted December 30, 2005 Wow what a response. First of all to Tim and Jay well obviously this doesn't interest you so why did you respond? Yeah Jay I appreciate the comment I am most certainly in search of a roommate, I hope those wisecracks warm your heart. Yes Richard Avedon was actually part of the inspiration. That was the idea. I don't OWN a studio and am not bringing them into my home. I was actually considering renting one out downtown here for a few hours that is actually just a warehouse with skylights where from what I've seen there 'anything goes'. At any rate yes I am fully aware that some are wilder than others and some caution has to be excercised. But wholeheartedly disagree that they are not ever cheerful. If you actually take a minute to treat them like human beings well then you can see signs of 'life'. All homeless people are not just vapid. There are actually 'street kids' to, you've seen them. 18 down on their luck, no family, out traveling. Candids are not really the idea. That's been done a million times before. I am not scared of these people and wouldn't shy away from approaching them and trying to capture something genuine about them like any other subject. Of course I wouldn't approach the guy that was stumbling around. Common sense would be utilized. At any rate I appreciate the constructive comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewkane Posted December 30, 2005 Author Share Posted December 30, 2005 Thanks to Kipling, Dean, and Beau I enjoyed those photos. Thanks to Jennifer and all others with helpful information/comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholasprice Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Avoid Studios, they are sterile, and will taint the flavour of your shots. Try to do what Avedon did, he didn't use a studio for his project (see below). If you cannot get a screen together with the help of a few mates, seek out a plane coloured wall, and use nice ambient diffuse light! ...good luck with your project! N<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tholte Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Matthew, sorry I hurt your feelings but your post just seemed a little bourgeous to me that's all. You asked if we thought you were crazy and I answered "Yup". I only spoke for myself, others think you are fine and dandy. Do your project as you see fit and post some images. The proof is always in the pudding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer valencia Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 hi Matthew, I was thinking more about technique. I like the idea of using b/w film (or converting digital to b/w later.) I think it would also be a cool idea to ask THEM how they'd like to be photographed. You might get some really fascinating responses and great ideas. For example, what if someone WANTED to be photo'd in a studio, or by a particular restaurant, or in a specific pose? You might also get some interesting stories to go along with the photos. The warehouse idea sounds good. There's a warehouse here in Phoenix called "The Icehouse" (not sure why) where they have different events. It's weird and awesome and broken down inside, and I'd love to photograph people in there sometime. good luck! Jennifer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewkane Posted December 30, 2005 Author Share Posted December 30, 2005 No worries Tim. Well thanks to everyone for there input. We'll see how it goes. I'm thinking I will 'keep it on the street' for the most part though. Take care - Happy new year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie_caswell Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Two hard facts. Most are alchohol or drug addicted. Many are crazy. How do I know this? My local city government had a forum about this and everyone from police, medical, and shelter providers testified to this and it was well documented. Yes I think its exploitation as well... and very dangerous exploitation at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewkane Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 Well Robbie I have met plenty affluent crazy drug/alcohol addicted individuals. Taking a photograph of a person that does so willingly is not exploitation. I'm not even looking to profit from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewkane Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 Besides when was photography/portraiture restricted to the sane or the privileged? I suppose then that those beautiful pictures of vagrants and drifters that Mr. Avedon took in the american west were somehow unethical... and that Sebastiao Salgados photos of poor workers were some how exploiting people... not buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie_caswell Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 I'm more concerned with your safety. UNlikely anyone would hurt you, but the numbers don't lie. The local city government can't afford to lock them up and house them so they are left alone. This leads to those few truely sick people to go without needed medication and some are dangerous. If you are ever in Myrtle Beach I'll show you where a whole community is living in the woods. We have a tremendous amount of well meaning people that reach out and help these unfortunate souls. It just attracts more of them. Just yesterday I had to stop on a busy street while some mentally ill person couldn't decide if he wanted to cross the street and walked in circles in my lane. I see him nearly everyday and I doubt he knows he's on planet earth, much less the middle of the street. Maybe your images may actually bring to light the problem in your community. It wont do anything but make you feel better. Trust me when I say the numbers are government studied numbers. Most are addicted and nearly as many mentally ill and they wont/cant help themselves. Be careful and be safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholasprice Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 ...not all homelass people are mentally ill! ......not all the mentally are dangerous! .........you would be more at risk of injury by dropping your camera on your toe, for heaven's sake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpolaski Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Find something more original and less demeaning to your subjects. Simply photographing down and out people makes trite a complex and enduring problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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