mrstubbs Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 I'll make my pictures. I guess the only question is...will I make them for me...or for them. It doesn't matter what the answer is. The question is the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_clark___minnetonka_mi Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 The truth is true when the check clears the banking system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgalyon Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 i predict this going to be good... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Laur Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Even if you <i>are</i> "making them for them," you're still ultimately doing it for yourself. Different objectives and motivations for a particular shot or project, but it's you that you're serving, regardless. <br><br> <i>The question is the truth.</i> <br><br> It's Saturday night. I think Anthony is in his cups, perhaps. But now that I'm talking about drinking and philosophy... <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1MgCV6uGuc" target="_blank"><b>a little Python always fits</b></a>. Ah, the good old days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakon_soreide Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Sometimes, when you make pictures for them, you don't make them for you, and that can make them bad pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david hibberd Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Make them for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norma Desmond Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 You need to say more about truth if your original statement is to have any meaning. Otherwise it's just a big generality. One thing photography is is a means of expression and communication. It takes two to communicate. There's nothing wrong with considering both: me and them. We didn't need dialogue. We had faces! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photobiscuits Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 For money, for them.<br> Otherwise, for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew748 Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 i'm going to have a joint and re-read this and ponder what it's all about. if you don't mind. i may remember to comment later :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcpoljak2003 Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Matt's post is the last word on the subject. Thanks for that link. I forgot about that one. They don't make comedy like that anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch_tbhotmail.com Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Its an interestng statement because I think I'll always want to make photos for me, however, if one is being paid, the clients needs and wants are supposed to be more important. Does that mean I should take the "me" factor out of it? I don't think its possible as there is always going to be a part of me in the end results, no matter what the client requests. I guess you have to take what they want and create something that works for them, without compromising your vision. Maybe it would work in the real world, maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJHingel Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 For our common truth, through my eyes and sometimes on them - never for money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lex_photo Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 In my experience, I take them for me mostly. If I'm getting paid or it's an assignment, I take them for them, and someday I hope to get paid for the photos I take for me, That's when I will have made it in the profession. Until that day comes, I'll keep my day job and take photos for me whenever I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iliafarniev Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Better don't make them, if you can. It is all one big illusion, anyway. An addictive behavior in works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerrySiegel Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 "...make them for myself..or for 'them'(emphasis supplied)." Are these THEM the little green space people,Tony? They have been getting into MY brain too:-) gs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucecahn Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 No one mentioned that them and you are the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJHingel Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Them is always others and never an "alter ego" unless we have a problem of identity ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geertje Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 I agree with Bruce.... there really is no you and them...there is only US. Soon as we start to realise we are not alone but all one, this world will be a much nicer place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJHingel Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 We are obviously talking about different things. As soon as we start realizing we are not alone and all part of humanity the World would surely be a better place. Photography is however mostly a separation between the "I" behind the camera and the "them" in front. Only interactive postmodernism in art (including photography) tends to alter this by making the "I" and the "them" into one united happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iliafarniev Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Hi Anders. What makes you think that: "Photography is however mostly a separation between the "I" behind the camera and the "them" in front." ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJHingel Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Spatial physics ! ... and more profoundly the voyeuristic element of observing the World which I think is inherent to photography. That does not prevent the photographer to be a person that lives his life in full solidarity with "them"and being a part of "them". That a photo can play an important role in maintaining and promoting humanity does not change the fact (?) that the act of shooting a photo in most cases is a separation between the "I" and the "them". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iliafarniev Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Spatial physics sounds good but people normaly think of photography as a technique of obtaining an image by utilizing a light sesitive material. Are you suggesting it actually is a "separation ..?" Would you explain this? What's spatial physics, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJHingel Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Ilia, it becomes a ping pong between you and me so maybe we should continue that by e- mail or better wait for another occasion to elaborate on the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtodrick Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Always for me...never them. One aspect of the digital revolution that really bugged me in the past (digital quality is arguably on par with film in many instances today) were the 'pros' who would tell me that they had switched to digital because, though it was not as good as film (this being 4-5 years ago)...it was 'good enough' for their clients. Personally, I see nothing professional about this. Would you go to a physician for, say open heart surgury whose attitude was 'I don't do great surgury...but it's good enough'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrstubbs Posted January 14, 2008 Author Share Posted January 14, 2008 ".... it becomes a ping pong between you and me ..." Now you're getting there. It doesn't matter what the answer is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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